Thank you too, Ryunen.
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "jayryunen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Well said Wai. Thank-you. =)<
> > My dear friend, why do you want to be regurgitating what the
Buddha
> > and Nagarjuna have said. I would prefer that you show me
something
> > that's your own, from your very gut, then you'll be more
convincing.
> > Allow me to give you a hand. As you are reading my message, who
is it
> > that is at this very moment reading? Is it your mind, or is it
your
> > eyes, or is it both or is it neither? If you know the answer then
you
> > will be right at the middle of The Middle Way.
> >
> > > See, I'm objecting to this. This is a load of hogwash.
> > > According to what you said above, anyone who is
> > > absorbed in what they are doing is enlightened.
> >
> > That's not what I meant. But anyone who is enlightened will be
> > totally absorbed in what they do, not necessarily the other way
> > around.
> >
> > > But that's not the case (cf. Zenkei Shibayama's commentary
> > > of the "Keichu's Wheels" koan in his "Gateless Gate"
> > > book). Anybody can easily and spontaneously enter
> > > samadhi of work, as in a potter becoming one with the
> > > clay and the pottery wheel, but that is not zen
> > > realization. There is not even a trace of zen
> > > realization there. Something else is required so that
> > > the person experiences a deeply transformative
> > > 'turning at the seat of the consciousness'. It is
> > > then, and only then, that the person embarks on the
> > > path of spiritual journey.
> >
> > Good observation.
> >
> > > The samadhi of work, of the Nike add ("just do it"),
> > > of becoming one with the situation, is a fool's gold.
> > > If you haven't had the deeply revolutionary
> > > transformative experience of satori, this Nike
> > > approach won't take you anywhere.
> >
> > "Just Do It" is a Zen approach, not a Nike approach. It is Nike
who
> > adopted the term from the Zen community (in the 60's or 70's ??).
A
> > marketing executive from Nike or the Ad agency was a Zen
practioner.
> > And I'd applaud him/her and Nike for adopting the term, it helps
to
> > spread the Dharma, doesn't it.
> >
> > > Buddhist practice is not psychology. It is not a
> > > therapy.
> >
> > It's not psychology. But it's most definitely a therapy, a
medicine.
> > Many Buddhist sutras say that.
> >
> > > Attachment, grasping and clinging are perfectly fine.
> > > They are only a problem if you somehow imagine them to
> > > be a problem. The resolution of that impasse is to
> > > experience satori, which, at that moment, will
> > > undeniably demonstrate to you that there is absolutely
> > > nothing wrong with the attachment, rejection,
> > > grasping, clinging etc.
> >
> > In my almost ten years as a Buddhist, you are the very first
person
> > that I've encountered to see attachment, grasping and clinging as
> > perfectly fine in the Buddhist context. Do you know that in many,
if
> > not all, of the sutras, the Buddha and the Patriachs say that
> > attachment, etc. are diseases of the mind?
> > If you seriously want to teach Buddhism, I very *sincerely* urge
you
> > to conform to the established terminology of the Buddhist
community.
> > It will really help to avoid much unnecessary confusion for
yourself
> > as well as others. Unless, of course, what you are teching is
Alexism
> > (or Bunardism?).
> >
> > > I absolutely don't get a thing you're talking about
> > > here. What are you trying to say? What positive light?
> >
> > My apologies, I can be pretty bad at communicating. But it's not
a
> > particularly important point, so let's not waste time on this.
> >
> > Best wishes
> > wai
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