this group and it seems as though I came at a bad moment, more like Zen 
soap opera, hope that changes.. although I must adnit a dull 
fascination. Sort of like picking up the Enquirer on the subway when no 
ones around and reading about a stranger persons feud with another rich 
and famous person. Here I'd substitute spiritual and spiritualer.. I was 
thinking while reading these posts of how peaceful meditation can be in 
some people, or all of us sometimes? and yet can also have strange 
rebound effects of creating angst while in the very search for peace.. 
In Bali where I spent some time, a very peaceful culture exists where 
anger is taboo.. and as we haven't yet? evolved from our self 
destructive impulses .. the anger seeps out in all sorts of unusual ways 
there. Animal abuse, driving lunacy, selective cultural sadism and 
masochism etc.  Ergo, here on the list, a list of Zen where I'd imagine 
it to be peaceful and harmonic and at one with the serenity of the 
universe etc. I find spitefilled bickering. How interesting.. alway yin 
and yang appears even though I believe in vast complexities of grays 
often..

may the force be with us, dvnyc


"It's not what's in front of you that counts, or what's behind, its 
what's inside of you that matters most. " Thoreau


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