I Love this group because all or many of the posts I've read have been
the most bickering, pernicious ever - and simultaneuous spiritual (or
stoned?) and insightful, such yin and yang in one fell swoop. It seems
the compassion of Buddha often lacking or else overstated, usually one
of the two.. And the most incidious naysayers seem to be the most
learned and or the ones with authority, also fascinating. I like
mackups er, stream of thought, but Rod, um.. I will need a couple days
to study your addition. Good to see people on the Zen road iin general
tho.. and glad I found this crazed group. We should have a party at the
Marriot. Um, ok.. maybe not. Anyways, these are my two more cents as a
still newbie.
The Zen I "studied" was more pedestrian I fear, it's that awful be here
now variety w texts methods theories koans teachers etc. out the
window. I do appreciate the difference Zen persectives everyone seems to
come from. It does seem, everyone is tooo in their head tho, especially
me, here. Peas to all and may the real Zen Master please stand up!
> Has someone you know been affected by illness or disease?
>>
> Different practitioners understand the doctrine of the
>Middle Way differently.
it is the most recondite, sore spot on the body
> of the Buddhist doctrine.
>
>You have two choices
>
> a.) Follow Fudo
> Again, what will work for you depends on the >karmic affinities, of
> this letter
> Do You Yahoo!? >Tired
> Porto Alegre, south Brazil. Far, far away south.
>
yeah right Francesco, I heard about that place in a chain letter once.
Near Scam, Brazil is it..?
jus kidn
>
> 1) Write a short autobiography (maximum 20 lines).
I joined a Zen Group, .. they argued all the time, I took a walk near a
stream to escape. A fish looked at me. I became enlightened.
> 2) What are your plans for the future (maximum 20 lines).
Impermanence, lack of desire and observing the folly of Dukkha and
Samsara.
> As you can see, I am plotting some sort of fraud.
This is indeed, obvious.
> Ok, the questionnarie also asks for information regarding personal
> address, contact phone number, etc, so we can reach the begginer if
> that becomes necessary.
Bob Dillen, The Other Side of Town, NYNY 1-917-good-luk ps Count me
in..
And Not
> Using Intellect At All. I Do Not Recall Ever Telling
> Anyone
Ever
Excluding Me
To Any One Who Tried It For Even A
> Few Seconds
I agree Fudo, that was A Nike commercial I'm sure.
> That Thought And Intellect Are Part Of The
> posed Dichotomy Is Just One Parsons Intellectual bleep.
true, true..
> It Is A False Characturization Of
hey, is the capitalizing part a secret code?
> A) Why don't you just ASK them??
q. but seriously, keeping them guessing is a valid option too..
ie
> reality flows the way it flows. it doesnt flow the way you want it to
> flow.
Yes, bur flowers do grow the way the wind blows, anyways..
>> From: Francisco Garcia Scherer I am just trying to make the
>> begginers feel more comfortable and welcome in the Zen Center
And so I will.. who buys the plane tickets tho?
> so
>> A) Why don't you just ASK them?? Try talking TO people, not at
> them.
Unless you are directing traffic when the lights
fail..
> to be weird.
> it might as well be a Fitness Club or Disco.
Zen Disco.. hmmm I like the fitness club idea tho.
> From: "amazing63" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Re: Setting up a Zen Center?
>
> From: Francisco Garcia Scherer as I said, it is important to give the
> begginers an opportunity to express themselves and feel that we are
> willing to get to know them. I also believe that it is important to get
> to know better the new practioners.>>
>
> A survey which asks everyone the same questions based on a set of
> preconceptions is not very Zen, IMHO.
Ah ha.. everything is Zen. Or not. Or.
> I am not going to make any more observations regarding this matter,
thank Buddha.. this method creates eddies and whirlpools and a rough
ride for all.
>
> So I don't think its a matter of letting the river steer more easily
> beyond a single current or two -- and that it is jsut how we would have
> it flow.
>
> Phew -- a thin analogy
it slip thru the
> cracks.
> Subject: RE: reality
>
> I'll assume you mean " just say no"
> In that case, how do you advise I accomplish doing it more?
>
naw.
>> I would augment the predicament
turn the river our own
will like a cork.
>> both options are likely to get your head >>
to just adapt smoothly. But this method creates eddies and whirlpools
and a
>> rough ride for all.
>>
>> So I don't think its
effective when moving at the
>> same speed as the river
..a single current or two --
flows, and that it is just how
>> we would have it flow.
>>
Needs Are Met
> themselves and feel that we
>> >> are willing to get to know them.
>>
>> In that case, how do you advise
doing it more?
>>
>> you say it, you write it, you preach it. but you do not
>> do it.
>>>
>>> Agreed Mackkup!
> sticks and koans..
>>>
>>> push
>>> the river'. I see the choices
it wills like a cork.
Phew!
>>
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