Can manual assistance be effective in case of anonymous/pseudonomous broadcast used in async message apps? On Jan 9, 2014 3:05 PM, "Pieter Hintjens" <p...@imatix.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 1:32 AM, crocket <crockabisc...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Until there comes the edgenet mailing list, we can talk about it here. > > Sure. > > > By manual assistance, do you mean people turn on hotspots and connect to > > them manually on site? > > Ideally, from within applications, e.g. inviting someone into your > document would switch on a hotspot and display a PIN. Other people > could then "Search for invitations" (scan for matching SSIDs) and > enter the PIN to join. > > > > > > > Is there any better manual method than I described above? > > > > On Jan 9, 2014 8:28 AM, "Pieter Hintjens" <p...@imatix.com> wrote: > >> > >> (a) I think we need to start an edgenet mailing list, as this is both > >> such an interesting discussion, and yet so different from what people > >> are expecting here > >> > >> (b) wifidirect is a "not quite mesh" 1-to-1 link and in fact very > >> close to what I was thinking of with edgenet in the beginning. There's > >> not a lot of choice, if you don't have 802.11s mesh working in the > >> firmware, which few devices have. > >> > >> (c) you don't need root access to enable AP mode on most phones afaik. > >> Not Android, anyhow (the API isn't documented but you can dig it out.) > >> > >> (d) we tried, and failed (in a previous closed project) to create and > >> discover cells automatically. Best approach seems to be manual > >> assistance. > >> > >> -Pieter > >> > >> On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 4:58 PM, Arnaud Loonstra <arn...@sphaero.org> > >> wrote: > >> > On 01/08/2014 03:46 PM, Bruno D. Rodrigues wrote: > >> >> I don’t know too many details about FON, but we have an ISP in > Portugal > >> >> that provides FON over all their clients (if they accept) and as soon > >> >> as > >> >> I connect to one FON hotstpot, the device automatically connects to > any > >> >> other. No idea if it’s just because it’s the same name, or if there > is > >> >> any other value that is forced to be the same, but somehow it is > >> >> possible. > >> >> > >> >> On Jan 8, 2014, at 12:03, crocket <crockabisc...@gmail.com > >> >> <mailto:crockabisc...@gmail.com>> wrote: > >> >> > >> >>> People may be able to devise an algorithm for automatically turning > on > >> >>> hotspots in several smartphones among many. > >> >>> > >> >>> But, even with hotspots turned on, how do phones connect to each > other > >> >>> if smartphones simply refuse to connect to randomly named hotspots? > >> >>> > >> >>> Should we forcefully rename hotspots to a predetermined name(e.g., > >> >>> "edgenet") and agree to connect to hotspots named "edgenet"? > >> >>> > >> > > >> > You could follow a roaming setup. Setup an hotspot with any name and > >> > make sure it is setup for roaming. Usually the authentication is done > >> > using radius. Which would be very easy to implement as radius is very > >> > simple protocol. Even just MAC authentication would suffice but you > >> > could go on into EAP/TTLS or PEAP setups. > >> > > >> > To setup an hotspot on a phone you'll probably need root access. > >> > > >> > WifiDirect would be better but I don't any devices that support it. It > >> > will probably be stopped by vendors ;) Just like PTT. > >> > > >> > Rg, > >> > > >> > Arnaud > >> > > >> > -- > >> > w: http://www.sphaero.org > >> > t: http://twitter.com/sphaero > >> > g: http://github.com/sphaero > >> > i: freenode: sphaero_z25 > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > zeromq-dev mailing list > >> > zeromq-dev@lists.zeromq.org > >> > http://lists.zeromq.org/mailman/listinfo/zeromq-dev > >> _______________________________________________ > >> zeromq-dev mailing list > >> zeromq-dev@lists.zeromq.org > >> http://lists.zeromq.org/mailman/listinfo/zeromq-dev > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > zeromq-dev mailing list > > zeromq-dev@lists.zeromq.org > > http://lists.zeromq.org/mailman/listinfo/zeromq-dev > > > _______________________________________________ > zeromq-dev mailing list > zeromq-dev@lists.zeromq.org > http://lists.zeromq.org/mailman/listinfo/zeromq-dev >
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