Interview : Chingiz Aitmatov: Diplomatic write

  NATO Review 
  http://www.nato.int/docu/review/2002/issue1/english/interview.html

(Chingiz Aitmatov spoke with Vicki Nielsen, the assistant editor of
NATO Review.)

(Chingiz Aitmatov is both Kyrghyz ambassador to NATO, the European
Union and Belgium, and his country's greatest writer. His books,
including Jamila, Farewell, Gulsary!, The White Ship, Ascent of Mount
Fuji and The Day Lasts More Than a Hundred Years, have been translated
into many languages and published to critical acclaim in Asia, Europe
and North America. The winner of many literary prizes, national and
international, he became an adviser to Mikhail Gorbachev in the Soviet
Union's twilight years and a Kyrghyz diplomat when the Kyrghyz
Republic gained independence.)

How has the Kyrghyz Republic been affected by the conflict in Afghanistan?

The conflict in Afghanistan is not just a military conflict between
two adversaries. More importantly, it is a clash between two different
ways of thinking. Clearly, it is important to win the military
struggle but, in the longer term, we need to find some way of
reconciling two conflicting world perspectives. Events in Afghanistan
have been a huge challenge for my country and other countries in the
region. It is as if destiny were testing our resolve. At the very time
that we are striving to promote freedom, democracy and human rights,
to modernise our societies and raise the level of our economic
development in the post-Soviet era, events right next door in
Afghanistan have threatened to destroy everything we have achieved so
far. Were Islamic fundamentalism to win, the clock would be turned
back by many centuries. The religious extremism and fundamentalism
that has arisen in Afghanistan is a barbaric force, a throwback to the
feudalism of the Middle Ages. In other words, what we are seeing is a
clash of civilisations, which was unavoidable.

The process of transformation to democracy and freedom in the
countries of Central Asia has inevitably caused some economic and
political suffering. But the reactionary forces in the region remained
hidden, until they were stirred up by the chaos in Afghanistan.
Kyrghyztan has also had to cope with two armed incursions, in 1999 and
2000. These were critical moments, but we overcame them with the help
of Russia, which played quite a positive role in this context.
Nevertheless, concerted efforts are needed to contain and destroy
these reactionary, barbaric forces and the West and NATO have a
decisive role to play in this respect.


What perception does the Kyrghyz Republic's predominantly Muslim
population have of the conflict?

Everybody recognises that it was necessary to put an end to the terror
of the Taliban and, generally, people understand the role the West and
NATO are playing in the process of combating terrorism and
establishing peace. There is a widespread perception that stability is
essential for ensuring a good quality of life and promoting democracy,
individual liberty and property rights.

However, I would like to address the religious factor that your
question raises. Religion can benefit human life in terms of its
influence on spiritual matters, morality and traditions. But what
concerns us here is the situation where religion engages in the
pursuit of political aims or power. It then ceases to be religion and
becomes a reactionary force.

In this respect, we have been fortunate in Kyrghyztan. For historical
reasons, Islam has not impacted as much on our people's consciousness
as it has in other Central Asian countries, such as Tajikistan and
Uzbekistan. Kyrghyztan and Kazakhstan lie on the outskirts of the
Islamic way of life. In our countries, religion has more to do with
traditions and customs and our peoples tend to be moderately
religious, avoiding fanaticism in our beliefs. This is our way.

When talking of religion, however, one important factor needs to be
taken into account � namely that poverty can be fertile breeding
ground for Islamic fundamentalism. Afghanistan, which is a very poor
country, is a prime example of this. The poorer the people, the
stronger the religion. It is essential, as a first step towards
promoting stability, that the international community looks at how to
improve the social and economic situation in Afghanistan. Priority
should be given to educating and enlightening young Afghans. If their
only option is to attend religious schools, or madrasas , nothing will
change. It is vital, therefore, that opportunities for civil education
are actively promoted and subsidised.


How has the Kyrghyz Republic's relationship with NATO evolved during
the past decade and how might it evolve in the future?

This question directly concerns the activities of our embassy.
Kyrghyztan has been part of NATO's Partnership structures for many
years now and we actively participate in the Partnership for Peace.
Such cooperation is very timely. It takes place in many different
fields including civil emergency planning, civil-military relations
and defence policy, as well as consultations at the political and
military level. The Partnership provides a useful platform for
cooperation with other Partner countries, including Central Asian
countries.

Considerable effort has been devoted to promoting a better
understanding of NATO and the Partnership for Peace among our people
and, in particular, the military establishment. In the past, NATO was
seen as a real threat. But perceptions have changed over the years and
old stereotypes have been overcome, allowing us to focus on developing
active cooperation. It is not a coincidence that NATO, which was
established in the 20th century, still exists in the 21st. We do not
live in an ideal world, but in one that is full of contradictions and
the risk of conflict. NATO is recognised by most people as being a
powerful organisation, which has a key role in deterring and
containing these dangers and, although it is a regional organisation,
it is increasingly perceived as having a global significance. NATO is
seen not only as a military organisation but as one with a political
and human dimension as well. Its role is evolving, as it arms itself,
not with weapons, but with new visions. I have no doubt that we will
continue to cooperate on the issues we are working on currently in the
framework of the Partnership, and that this work will be developed, as
NATO continues to establish cooperation in a more global context.


How have the Kyrghyz armed forces benefited from the Partnership for
Peace?

>From the time we first joined, our armed forces have participated in
almost all exercises that have taken place in the framework of the
Partnership for Peace programme. It has been a good experience for our
military personnel to see what kind of cooperation could be developed
between NATO and Partner countries. Most importantly, they have
realised that they are not too remote to be able to contribute to
common security. Our military would like to do more and is trying to
reach the standards widely accepted among NATO countries.
Unfortunately, we don't have all the resources needed to improve our
military and acquire new technologies. However, we are trying to build
a more professional army, moving away from one that relies totally on
conscripts. This has been an important development for us.
Participation in the Partnership for Peace has helped give our forces
a better and more realistic perception of NATO.


What role do you envisage for the Euro-Atlantic Partnership Council?

The EAPC is playing a positive role in bringing the former Soviet
republics back together and encouraging them to cooperate politically
after independence. The Partnership structures are also helping to
promote some integration at the military level. We should continue to
build on this process of consolidation, integration and cooperation in
the region.


Have you found much material at NATO to inspire future novels? Can we
expect to see a future plot set in Brussels?

It is clear that my creative horizons have expanded and that my
experiences could find some echo in my literary work, should I ever
find time to write. Future books could very well reflect my changed
perception of NATO in the post-Cold War era in some way and comment on
the new role of NATO in the world. I suppose future characters could
conceivably come to Brussels to be involved in NATO activities. Like
me, they would probably come with preconceived ideas of NATO being a
huge military, technological complex, located in an impressive
building like the Pentagon or the defence ministry in Moscow, only to
discover that it is a quite small, modest organisation, which is based
on rationalism and the determination to take action when necessary.










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