Compared to hw raid only snapshots ZFS is still, imho, easier to use.

If you start talking about VSS, aka shadow copy for Windows, you're now 
at the fs level. I can see that VSS offers an API for 3rd parties to use 
but, as I literally just started reading about it, I'm not an expert. 
 From a quick glance I think the ZFS feature set is comparable. Is there 
a C++ API to ZFS? Not that I know of. Do you need one? Can't think of a 
reason off the top of my head given the way the zpool/zfs commands work.

Joseph Zhou wrote:
> Torrey, now this impressive as the old days with Sun Storage.
>
> Ok, ZFS PiT is only a software solution.
> The Windows VSS is not only a software solution, but also a 3rd party 
> integration standard from MS.
> What's your comment on ZFS PiT is better than MS PiT, in light of 
> openness and 3rd-party integration???
>
> Talking about garbage!
> z
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Torrey McMahon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Richard Elling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: "Joseph Zhou" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "William D. Hathaway" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 
> <zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 1:58 AM
> Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] Hardware Raid Vs ZFS implementation on Sun 
> X4150/X4450
>
>
>> Richard Elling wrote:
>>> Joseph Zhou wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yeah?
>>>> http://www.adaptec.com/en-US/products/Controllers/Hardware/sas/value/SAS-31605/_details/Series3_FAQs.htm
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> Snapshot is a big deal?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Snapshot is a big deal, but you will find most "hardware" RAID 
>>> implementations
>>> are somewhat limited, as the above adaptec only supports 4 snapshots 
>>> and it is an
>>> optional feature.  You will find many array vendors will be happy to 
>>> charge lots
>>> of money for the snapshot feature.
>>
>> On top of that since the ZFS snapshot is at the file system level 
>> it's much easier to use. You don't have to quiesce the file system 
>> first or hope that when you take the snapshot you get a consistent 
>> data set. I've seen plenty of folks take hw raid snapshots without 
>> locking the file system first, let alone quiescing the app, and 
>> getting garbage. 
>
>

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