Am 04.03.2012 07:19, schrieb Ulf Bro:
The editor I use in everyday life is Vim (Vi). Here you switch
between modes all the time. But you do so without taking your fingers
off the keyboard. A similar "edit" mode in Zim would be no harm so
long as one could keep the mouse out of the business.

That's true, but the big difference is that in vi, the data and its rendering doesn't change at all when you switch between modes. vi doesn't show any rendered data, it only changes the accepted keyboard commands. But when you switch between rendered display and raw data, the content of your editor window changes, and usually it's not even possible to adapt the cursor position. So when you spot a typo in view mode, and then switch to edit mode, you need to find the location of that typo in the markup again. This is what makes separate edit/view modes so unproductive for everyday use in a personal wiki in my opionon. I think switching to raw mode should only be used as a last resort in zim, not be encouraged as the standard way of editing content.

But speaking of vi, it's a perfect example for great and mature software that is still not usable for the "casual" user. Without getting aquainted with the two input modes and the keyboard commands, users will only be frustrated with vi.

One thing that surely should be added is a way to easily switch
the editor to "raw mode" where it does not do any rendering. It
should not be understood or used as the default edit mode, but it
may be sometimes useful to see or edit the raw version of a page.

That is the point I'd like to support. With one key, and this could
be a function key like F2 for example, you could open an external
editor in a new window of course on the currently displayed page (im
my case that would be Vim) and do whatever editing you find suitable.
Then after saving, do a reload with Ctrl-R and that's it.

On the other hand you mostly really shouldn't need to do that.
Therefore there is no need to waste time doing revolutionary
development on Zim's code to enable raw editing. Just a key to open
an external editor and that's it.

Agree. Except opening an external editor can be dangerous because then you have two disconnected editing windows open for the same content, and you can easily loose data when you save at the wrong time in the wrong editor. Better to include a real raw editing *mode* which can also have a keyboard shortcut. It would be a bit more work, but I don't think revolutionary development work will be needed for that.

-- Christoph

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