Thanks for the reply, Jaap. This is all very encouraging. Working on a
bzr branch sounds convenient. From now on I'll keep mailing list
discussions at a higher level.

Hans mentioned the ability to fold plain indented lists, i.e. with
neither bullets nor checkmarks. I'm also interested in that, Having
read your reply, I'd like to confirm that folding normal, indented
text would be straightforward?

If so, it sounds like we could potentially use Zim as a folding code
editor for small Python source files. Does that sound practical?

Meanwhile it's very late here so I will call it a night. Will explore
this in detail in the morning, both on the Wiki and in this e-mail
thread.

Regards,
Marc

On 11/15/12, Jaap Karssenberg <jaap.karssenb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 10:19 AM, J.A. de Vries <hdv.ja...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 2012-11-15 09:43, jayseye wrote:
>> > I could draft a proposal, to be consistent with Jaap's framework for
>> > bounties. If that would be acceptable, then I have two questions:
>>
>
> I set up a page on our development page here:
> http://www.zim-wiki.org/wiki/doku.php?id=folding
>
> I put down the objective and initial notes on implementation. HdV if you
> can check if you are happy with the definition I put down (and if not
> please modify accordingly) than I can discuss implementation details with
> Marc Paul.
>
> For implementation discussion let's go to personal mail and document on the
> development wiki, no need to spam the mailing list.
>
>
>> > First, lists would be a clear choice for folding, as they can be
>> > nested to any depth. Headings were also mentioned in your original
>> > query:
>>
>> Ah, indeed. Almost forgot about that.
>> >>  I'd really like to see the addition of a plugin that would
>> >> enable folding for lists and headings (both would be very welcome).
>> >
>> > To clarify then, based on your latest reply: Would folding of Headings
>> > be an additional feature request, with a separate bounty?
>>
>> I myself don't need folding based on headings at the moment, but yes I
>> would be willing to support a separate bounty for that. I can imagine
>> that other people could use such an additional feature very well.
>>
>
> I would also very much like them. I'll put an additional 50,- on the bounty
> from Zim donations fund if this can be covered. ( Won't add much additional
> work, but the main thing is that folding headings can not follow
> indentation, so bit more logic is needed to determine what text to fold. )
>
>
>> > Second question, for both you and Jaap: Would it be feasible to set
>> > milestones for implementing folding, starting with a working model?
>> > This could help ensure that we're "on the same page" as work
>> > progresses.
>>
>> Communicating often and making small steps is what in my experience
>> always led to the best results in projects. Depending on what Jaap
>> prefers I think that would be a good approach. I on my part will strive
>> to make the time to answer any questions without making you wait too
>> long.
>>
>
> On the wiki page I put a section "timeline" with suggestion for milestones,
> open for discussion.
>
>
>> > Specifically, Zim already has a built-in secondary view, which might
>> > be useful as a testbed: From the File menu, "Open in New Window"
>> > displays a work-in-progress toward multiple views. (It's read-only for
>> > now, though fixing that is mentioned in the docs.)
>> >
>> > That New Window might be a safe place to develop folding, while
>> > preserving the current main window. Once folding works as agreed in
>> > this testbed view, it would be straightforward to merge it into the
>> > right-hand pane of the main window.
>>
>> Sounds like a proper safe approach to do this. Let's see what Jaap
>> thinks (as I don't know the code very well).
>>
>
> Probably that would actually complicate things since both windows derive
> from the same class. Since you would be developing in a separate code
> branch anyway there is no need to separate. Once it is functional I merge
> it in the main code and it will be enabled for all windows.
>
> @Jaap: are there "groudrules" for doing bounties? Or do you want me to
>> arrange something with Marc Paul directly?
>>
>
> The rules I came up with when I started with bounties are here:
> http://www.zim-wiki.org/contribute.html
>
> In general I think for your part of the bounty you should decide whether
> you are happy or not. Main thing for me is to have design, progress & code
> in the open so it is transparent what is done.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jaap
>

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