At 05:13 PM 9/25/02 -0700 Dan R Allen favored us with:

>Saddam   MAY NOT   have ordered the attacks, but it is very   LIKELY   that he was
>involved in the planning, or financial and intel support.
>"the CIA is LOOKING INTO   whether one of the suicide pilots in the Sept. 11
>attacks - Mohammed Atta - met Iraqi agents while he was organizing his
>terrorist cell in the German city of Hamburg."
>"In addition, Jane's Foreign Report, a highly regarded intelligence
>publication, reports that Israel's military intelligence service, Aman,  
>SUSPECTS   that Iraq sponsored the suicide attacks on the World Trade Center
>and the Pentagon."
>He has supported, and continues to support the recruitment of suicide
>bombers by paying the surviving families:
>"Last week, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld criticized Saddam for
>increasing from $10,000 to $25,000 the compensation he is prepared to pay
>families who send one of their own to become a suicide bomber."
> From Marc's Globe and Mail article:
>[An aggressor must] "show a necessity of self-defence, instant,
>overwhelming, leaving no choice of means, and no moment for deliberation."
>Daniel Webster U.S. Secretary of State.
>A pre-emptive strike is justifiable if the enemy is massing for the attack,
>and there is no time left for negotiations. Saddam has shown a clear
>unwillingness to negotiate except where it will buy him time to act. We
>know that he is capable of building (may already have) WMD's, and a
>willingness to use them. He has a clear motive to place those weapons in
>the hands of terrorists to use against us. There is sufficient evidence   TO
>SUGGEST   that he is part of the network known as "Al-queda" - whether as
>part of the inner circle, or just a active supporter it doesn't really
>matter. He clearly has the capability to work with them.
>Bomb Saudi before Iraq? Not while they show a willingness to work with us
>to at least reduce the terrorism - they did kick Osama Bin Laden out of the
>country. On the other hand, Saddam's government, like the Taliban, is
>actively supporting terrorist activity, and so it must go before he has a
>chance to support another terrorist attack.

Notice by the words I have highlighted above how tentative all these claims are.   We 
are an honorable nation supposedly.  Do we attack a sovereign nation just because it  
MAY  have been involved in something or other.  I seems to me that before we start a 
war that could kill hundreds of thousands of men or even millions of men, we need to 
have conclusive proof, not a lot of may haves.

As for you claim that the Saudi's "show a willingness to work with us to at least 
reduce the terrorism," I would like to see you support that statement.  15 of the 19 
who made the suicide attacks were Saudis.  Osama bin Laden is Saudi.  Supposedly the 
attacks were motivated by his hatred of US bases on Saudi soil.  The Saudis are still 
granting visas for travel to the USA by way of various travel agencies, not requiring 
any screening by our embassy there.   The Saudis have been financing much of the 
terrorism in the Middle East.  And it is they who have been putting up money for the 
families of suicide bomber, not Saddam Hussein.

I don't know what is going on.  None of my information sources are reliable.  I don't 
know of any reliable information sources.  But I smell a rat.  Something is rotten in 
Copenhagen.  I believe there is a good chance that if we attack Saddam Hussein, we 
will be attacking the wrong guy.  We just cannot go about attacking anyone that   MAY  
have done something we don't like.  Before one starts killing hundreds of thousands of 
people, we need to be dead certain we are hitting the right target.

Of course I'm such a crackpot that I don't believe that any Muslim extremists attacked 
us on 9-11.  The Gadianton Robbers set it up, perhaps contracted it out, and they are 
setting up the Moslems to take the fall.  I think Osama bin Laden and the others have 
been framed.

Of course, what do I know?  As I already said, I don't have access to reliable sources 
of information.  And I think it is entirely possible that you don't either.

What if George W. Bush did it? <heh, heh> 

John W. Redelfs                                    [EMAIL PROTECTED]
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against 
principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the 
darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in 
high [places]. (Ephesians 6:12)
"All my opinions are tentative pending further data." --JWR

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