Unfortunately, it is what Liberal now means in the US. 

It used to be that liberal was one that sought to help the underdog with
smart assistance from government, while ensuring the freedoms of the
average joe. But the term "liberal" has been co-opted by fringe groups in
the US. Gore is a perfect example of what liberal now means in the US:
follows the extreme environmental tactics, reproductive rights, and the
"rights" of perverse groups.

In reality, it is a party issue, in that the party has been co-opted from
where it was just a few decades ago. My parents were Independents, but
had voted frequently for Democrats before Reagan. They passed around a
petition to have Ford impeached for pardoning Nixon. But my Mom would
never vote for a Democrat on the national level with how the party has
gone.  I would imagine that in Utah, the Democratic party is probably a
little more conservative, as sections of it tend to be in the South.

here's a stump question: Can anyone tell me the name of the Democratic
Georgia Senator who tends to vote frequently with the Republicans and
Bush?  (I know the answer, and I can tell you that if there were more
guys in the Democratic party like him- who vote on principle and not on
party platform, I'd possibly vote Democrat).

K'aya K'ama,
Gerald/gary  Smith    gszion1 @juno.com    http://www
"No one is as hopelessly enslaved as the person who thinks he's free."  -
Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

This is not what liberal means to me at all. But I won't argue the point
any further -- the term, like the demonization, doesn't translate well
across borders.

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