Who are you responding to? And what are you trying to say? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Actually it's sarcasm. > > If we as a Church are supposed to follow the teachings of the BOM, fine, than war is >acceptable to fight aggression and to uphold freedoms. But if we as a Church are now >saying lets do the Quaker philosphy, lets declare the BOM null and void, and follow >the teachings of Christ as in foregiveness, turning the other cheek, etc. > > We can't have it both ways. > > Actually, we are to forgive all and everyone, that includes the terrorists. It is up >to God in the after-life if he will forgive the terrorist. > > Different topic - same concept. > > In the area of oxymorons, is it possible to have a card carrying liberal democrat >and a temple going straight laced Latter Day Saint? > > Victor > > --- "Marc A. Schindler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >No one has asked anybody to forgive terrorists. They deserve to be brought = > >to justice (which would be a helluva lot easier if you guys would learn to = > >cooperate with the rest of the world, but I digress); forgiveness is up to = > >God. So your cynicism falls flat. > > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > >> Let's just settle this once and for all and declare as a church and follo= > >w item number 2 and declare ourselves the same principles as the Quakers - = > >total conscience objectors. > >> > >> Let's declare ourselves the followers of Christ and turn the other cheek,= > > and forgive the terrorists. > >> > >> When the bomb falls on Chicago, lets say to the terrorists - here do the = > >same to Denver, or to you in the land up North, since Ottawa has been flatt= > >ened, take Montreal. > >> > >> Cheers > >> > >> --- Mark Gregson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > > >> >At general conference on 6 April 1942 the First Presidency issued a stat= > >ement titled "Church Membership and Army Service". > >> > > >> >There are three main points: > >> > > >> >1.) Church members must obey the law of their country and serve as soldi= > >ers if required. > >> > > >> >2.) The Church is and must be against war. > >> > > >> >3.) God does not hold individual soldiers responsible for war. > >> > > >> >One interesting statement is, "Both sides cannot be wholly right; perhap= > >s neither is without wrong." > >> > > >> >Here are three excerpts: > >> > > >> >"Likewise in the present war, righteous men of the Church in both camps = > >have died, some with great heroism, for their own country's sake. In all th= > >is our people have but served loyally the country of which they were citize= > >ns or subjects under the principles we have already stated. We have felt ho= > >nored that our brethren have died nobly for their country; the Church has b= > >een benefited by their service and sacrifice." > >> > > >> >"Therefore, renounce war and proclaim peace.... (D&C 98:16.) > >> > > >> >Thus the Church is and must be against war. The Church itself cannot wag= > >e war, unless and until the Lord shall issue new commands. It cannot regard= > > war as a righteous means of settling international disputes; these should = > >and could be settled-- the nations agreeing--by peaceful negotiation and ad= > >justment." > >> > > >> >"The whole world is in the midst of a war that seems the worst of all ti= > >me. This Church is a worldwide Church. Its devoted members are in both camp= > >s. They are the innocent war instrumentalities of their warring sovereignti= > >es. On each side they believe they are fighting for home, and country, and = > >freedom. On each side, our brethren pray to the same God, in the same name,= > > for victory. Both sides cannot be wholly right; perhaps neither is without= > > wrong. God will work out in His own due time and in His own sovereign way = > >the justice and right of the conflict, but He will not hold the innocent in= > >strumentalities of the war, our brethren in arms, responsible for the confl= > >ict. This is a major crisis in the world-life of man. God is at the helm." > >> > > >> >One place you can find the whole statement is at > >> > > >> >http://www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~tueller/sunday/arch/2000/h43a.html > >> > > >> >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Mark Gregson [EMAIL PROTECTED] =3D= > >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > >> > > >> > > >> >-- > >> >__________________________________________________________ > >> >>>=3D=3D^=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= > >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= > >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > >> > >> _____________________________________________________________ > >> Washington DC's Largest FREE Email service. ---> http://www.DCemail.com -= > >--> A Washington Online Community Member ---> > >> http://www.DCpages.com > >> > >> _____________________________________________________________ > >> Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get [EMAIL PROTECTED] w/N= > >o Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=3Dtag > >> > >> /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////= > >//// > >> /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// > >> /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// > >> /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////= > >//// > >> > > > >-- > >Marc A. Schindler > >Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland > > > >=93We do not think that there is an incompatibility between words and deeds= > >; the worst thing is to rush into action before the consequences have been = > >properly debated=85To think of the future and wait was merely another way o= > >f saying one was a coward; any idea of moderation was just an attempt to di= > >sguise one=92s unmanly character; ability to understand a question from all= > > sides meant that one was totally unfitted for action.=94 =96 Pericles abou= > >t his fellow-Athenians, as quoted by Thucydides in =93The Peloponessian War= > >s=94 > > > >Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the auth= > >or solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the author=92s = > >employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associ= > >ated. > > > >///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////= > >// > >/// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// > >/// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// > >///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////= > >// > > > >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= > >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > _____________________________________________________________ > Washington DC's Largest FREE Email service. ---> http://www.DCemail.com ---> A >Washington Online Community Member ---> > http://www.DCpages.com > > _____________________________________________________________ > Select your own custom email address for FREE! 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