Who are you responding to? And what are you trying to say?

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Actually it's sarcasm.
>
> If we as a Church are supposed to follow the teachings of the BOM, fine, than war is 
>acceptable to fight aggression and to uphold freedoms. But if we as a Church are now 
>saying lets do the Quaker philosphy, lets declare the BOM null and void, and follow 
>the teachings of Christ as in foregiveness, turning the other cheek, etc.
>
> We can't have it both ways.
>
> Actually, we are to forgive all and everyone, that includes the terrorists. It is up 
>to God in the after-life if he will forgive the terrorist.
>
> Different topic - same concept.
>
> In the area of oxymorons, is it possible to have a card carrying liberal democrat 
>and a temple going straight laced Latter Day Saint?
>
> Victor
>
> --- "Marc A. Schindler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >No one has asked anybody to forgive terrorists. They deserve to be brought =
> >to justice (which would be a helluva lot easier if you guys would learn to =
> >cooperate with the rest of the world, but I digress); forgiveness is up to =
> >God. So your cynicism falls flat.
> >
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> >> Let's just settle this once and for all and declare as a church and follo=
> >w item number 2 and declare ourselves the same principles as the Quakers - =
> >total conscience objectors.
> >>
> >> Let's declare ourselves the followers of Christ and turn the other cheek,=
> > and forgive the terrorists.
> >>
> >> When the bomb falls on Chicago, lets say to the terrorists - here do the =
> >same to Denver, or to you in the land up North, since Ottawa has been flatt=
> >ened, take Montreal.
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >>
> >> --- Mark Gregson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >At general conference on 6 April 1942 the First Presidency issued a stat=
> >ement titled "Church Membership and Army Service".
> >> >
> >> >There are three main points:
> >> >
> >> >1.) Church members must obey the law of their country and serve as soldi=
> >ers if required.
> >> >
> >> >2.) The Church is and must be against war.
> >> >
> >> >3.) God does not hold individual soldiers responsible for war.
> >> >
> >> >One interesting statement is, "Both sides cannot be wholly right; perhap=
> >s neither is without wrong."
> >> >
> >> >Here are three excerpts:
> >> >
> >> >"Likewise in the present war, righteous men of the Church in both camps =
> >have died, some with great heroism, for their own country's sake. In all th=
> >is our people have but served loyally the country of which they were citize=
> >ns or subjects under the principles we have already stated. We have felt ho=
> >nored that our brethren have died nobly for their country; the Church has b=
> >een benefited by their service and sacrifice."
> >> >
> >> >"Therefore, renounce war and proclaim peace.... (D&C 98:16.)
> >> >
> >> >Thus the Church is and must be against war. The Church itself cannot wag=
> >e war, unless and until the Lord shall issue new commands. It cannot regard=
> > war as a righteous means of settling international disputes; these should =
> >and could be settled-- the nations agreeing--by peaceful negotiation and ad=
> >justment."
> >> >
> >> >"The whole world is in the midst of a war that seems the worst of all ti=
> >me. This Church is a worldwide Church. Its devoted members are in both camp=
> >s. They are the innocent war instrumentalities of their warring sovereignti=
> >es. On each side they believe they are fighting for home, and country, and =
> >freedom. On each side, our brethren pray to the same God, in the same name,=
> > for victory. Both sides cannot be wholly right; perhaps neither is without=
> > wrong. God will work out in His own due time and in His own sovereign way =
> >the justice and right of the conflict, but He will not hold the innocent in=
> >strumentalities of the war, our brethren in arms, responsible for the confl=
> >ict. This is a major crisis in the world-life of man. God is at the helm."
> >> >
> >> >One place you can find the whole statement is at
> >> >
> >> >http://www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~tueller/sunday/arch/2000/h43a.html
> >> >
> >> >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D  Mark Gregson  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  =3D=
> >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >--
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> >Marc A. Schindler
> >Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland
> >
> >=93We do not think that there is an incompatibility between words and deeds=
> >; the worst thing is to rush into action before the consequences have been =
> >properly debated=85To think of the future and wait was merely another way o=
> >f saying one was a coward; any idea of moderation was just an attempt to di=
> >sguise one=92s unmanly character; ability to understand a question from all=
> > sides meant that one was totally unfitted for action.=94 =96 Pericles abou=
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“We do not think that there is an incompatibility between words and deeds; the worst 
thing is to rush into action before the consequences have been properly debated…To 
think of the future and wait was merely another way of saying one was a coward; any 
idea of moderation was just an attempt to disguise one’s unmanly character;
ability to understand a question from all sides meant that one was totally unfitted 
for action.” – Pericles about his fellow-Athenians, as quoted by Thucydides in “The 
Peloponessian Wars”

Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; 
its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the author’s employer, nor those of 
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