Furthermore, if Natural Law is the great constant and above God, then it is
the law we should worship.  If we choose to do so it is then we become more
like Protestants and Catholics, in that our object of worship becomes
something without form, no body, parts, or passions.  The Law can fill the
universe and yet dwell in our hearts.  We become more like Jews who know
little, or nothing, of God, yet can produce volumes and volumes on the
smallest point of law and behavior.

Those who argue there is a Law about our God need to examine what that
belief tells them of their priorities and what they truly worship.

I know that they can produce all kinds of smart people who agree with them,
so I recognize that the answer may not be as simple as I suggest.  Forgive
me of my indiscretion if my words give offense.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Cobabe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 11:31 PM
Subject: RE: [ZION] Natural Law

> Another interesting reference to this question--
> God is the author of law, not its creation or its servant. All light and
> all law emanate from him (see D&C 88:13). Indeed, "all kingdoms have a
> law given; and there are many kingdoms; for there is no space in the
> which there is no kingdom; and there is no kingdom in which there is no
> space, either a greater or a lesser kingdom. And unto every kingdom is
> given a law; and unto every law there are certain bounds also and
> conditions" (D&C 88:36-38). Of God the revelation states, "He
> comprehendeth all things, and all things are before him, and all things
> are round about him; and he is above all things, and in all things, and
> is through all things, and is round about all things; and all things are
> by him, and of him, even God, forever and ever" (D&C 88:41).
> Joseph Smith asked, "Can we suppose that He [God] has a kingdom without
> laws? Or do we believe that it is composed of an innumerable company of
> beings who are entirely beyond all law? Consequently have need of
> nothing to govern or regulate them? Would not such ideas be a reproach
> to our Great Parent, and at variance with His glorious intelligence?
> Would it not be asserting that man had found out a secret beyond Deity?
> That he had learned that it was good to have laws, while God after
> existing from eternity and having power to create man, had not found out
> that it was proper to have laws for His government?" (Teachings of the
> Prophet Joseph Smith, 55).
> "God," Joseph Smith taught, "has made certain decrees which are fixed
> and immovable; for instance, God set the sun, the moon, and the stars in
> the heavens, and gave them their laws, conditions and bounds, which they
> cannot pass, except by His commandments; they all move in perfect
> harmony in their sphere and order, and are as lights, wonders and signs
> unto us. The sea also has its bounds which it cannot pass. God has set
> many signs on the earth, as well as in the heavens; for instance, the
> oak of the forest, the fruit of the tree, the herb of the field, all
> bear a sign that seed hath been planted there; for it is a decree of the
> Lord that every tree, plant, and herb bearing seed should bring forth of
> its kind, and cannot come forth after any other law or principle"
> (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, 197-98).
> God is not a scientist. He does not harness law and then use it to bless
> and govern his creations. God is the author and source of all law. Were
> this not the case, the powers of evil could seek his overthrow through
> the discovery of unknown laws. We would live in endless peril. Our
> prayers would then be for God, not to him, and scientists rather than
> prophets would hold the keys of salvation.
> True it is that God was once a man obtaining his exalted status by
> obedience to the laws of his own eternal Father, but upon obtaining that
> station he becomes the source of light and law to all that he creates.
> Following this same pattern, the resurrected Christ said to the
> Nephites, "I am the law" (3 Ne. 15:9).
>  (Joseph Fielding McConkie, Answers: Straightforward Answers to Tough
> Gospel Questions [Salt Lake City: Deseret Book Co., 1998], 167.)
> ---
> Mij Ebaboc
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