You imply there is a difference between disfellowshipment and excommunication. Is there any record of what was said when Oliver Cowdary was excommunicated, for instance?

Stacy.

At 08:42 PM 08/22/2003 -0500, you wrote:

Stacy Smith:

Has anyone ever witnessed an actual excommunication of
someone else by this or any other church?  ... Are they
generally public or private affairs?

_______________

About 25 years worth of them in our Church, none in any
other church.  In ours, they are strictly confidential.

If the bishop obtains permission to hold a disciplinary
council, it is usually held in the bishop's office with the
bishop, his two counselors, a clerk, and the member.  He
must have permission from the stake president to hold a
council.  He may disfellowship or excommunicate any
member of his ward, except that he may not excommunicate
a man who holds the Melchizedek Priesthood.

If a stake president convenes a disciplinary council, it is
usually held in the high council meeting room.  The stake
president, his counselors, the high council (12), and a
clerk participate, along with the member.

A stake president usually does not hold a council that a
bishop can hold which, in practical terms, often means
that a stake will hold a council for a man who holds the
Melchizedek Priesthood and who has done something
serious enough for which he may be excommunicated.

Nowadays, the decision of a council is only announced
to members if the person disciplined poses a threat to
the Church, for example, because of apostasy.  In that
case, an announcement is made in priesthood and
Relief Society meeting announcing that a member has
been excommunicated for apostasy (if that is the reason)
or for "conduct contrary to the laws of the Church."  No
additional information is given.  An announcement is
very rare.  Usually nothing is said at all.

Usually disfellowshipment is sufficient discipline to
help a member repent of most serious transgression.
A member is only excommunicated when needed and
usually due to serious and willful violation of covenants.

Larry Jackson



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