Who is really free? I don't consider myself free. Freedom has become a silly joke in my case. Everyone always wants to know where I'm going, when I'll be back, even what I eat.


At 09:31 AM 09/01/2003 -0600, you wrote:

Although I concur with your comments I find the use of the term "Free
Agency" to be a poor choice of words.  Notwithstanding it has become a
popular term in the church.  Rather the idea of Moral Agency is the more
useful and I believe correct term.

Freedom is a part of Moral Agency, but only a part.  Intelligent action
based on an understanding of God's will and the consequences of action is
also a crucial part of Agency.

You are correct when you identify the tremendous barriers, in this life, to
a proper use of this crucial and eternal principle.  I do not believe that
it is possible to truly exercise perfect agency in this life - for anyone,
although some have a better opportunity than others.  The last chance we had
to excursive perfect agency was in the pre-existence in the presence of God.
That is why that choice was so crucial - it set the stage for all that
happened subsequently.


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Subject: [ZION] freedom versus free agency

> > Free agency is an inviolable gift from Heavenly Father. Each of us has > absolute free agency to make choices for good or evil. > > Our freedom, on the other hand, is constantly subjected to bounds and > conditions and restrictions. Our freedom is constrained by natural > laws, by self-imposed restrictions, by the impositions of other > individuals, and by society in general. > > What is the effect of free agency in the absence of absolute freedom? > What if government laws constrain my free exercise of choice? Perhaps > Heavenly Father will judge my decisions based on what I would have done > had I been completely free to act. > > In 2 Nephi 2:16, we read that enticement is a necessary element in our > decision-making exercise of free agency. What does it mean to be > "enticed" in choosing between good and evil? Is the test of mortal > probation in part intended to demonstrate (to myself) which choices are > most "enticing" or attractive to me personally? I assume that Heavenly > Father already knew my inclination toward good or evil choices, but that > it was something I needed to learn for myself. > > --- > Jim Cobabe > > //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// // > /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// > /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// > //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// / > >

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