One more thing (every time I read this email, I think of something
else)...you don't know what working conditions my husband has.  You really
don't, and you shouldn't presume to judge them.  I didn't make clear in my
first email that I was referring to only the employees my husband has to
deal with, and I'm sorry about that.  He doesn't even have mandated breaks,
yet the union employees do.  And if they don't get their 10 minute smoke
breaks RIGHT ON TIME, they're screaming and they file a grievance.  I can't
tell you how many times I bring him something for supper because he's
working 7 am to 10 pm, and he's lucky to get 3 minutes to gulp down a
sandwich.  Just this past Saturday, he actually had a day off (after
working 10 days straight) and we went in to get groceries.  We couldn't get
through the store without them paging him to deal with a customer...and the
girl at the front desk got huffy when I pointed out that it was his day
off.  That's just the tip of what we're dealing with here...we're not
protected by a union contract.

Heidi


> [Original Message]
> From: Val <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 9/15/2003 8:26:57 AM
> Subject: Re: [ZION] working woman
>
>
> As a member of a union (NEA, ISTA, BEA), and the widow of a "spoiled?"
blue collar UAW worker, I'd like to see your husband get his hands dirty
doing the blue-collar work my husband did his whole life!
>
> It literally broke his back!  He couldn't even go to his youngest
daughter's high school graduation because he couldn't walk!  There is no
amount of money in the world to make up for that!
>
> Your husband may work more hours, but he sure doesn't have the working
conditions the blue collar workers do.  How unfair of you to call them
spoiled.  How unfair to complain because they want decent health care
coverage for their families.  It is your attitude that keeps unions alive!  
>
> val
>
> -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Well, Paul, my husband is in what you would refer to as a "white-collar"
> job and supervises what you would call "blue-collar" workers.  However,
> many of those "blue-collar" workers make much more money than my husband
> does because of the union.  They are unionized and are thus paid overtime,
> etc...my husband is salaried but does not get paid overtime, yet he is
> required to put in over 60 hours per week (and he is not the only manager
> in this position).  Last weekend, in 3 days, he put in 42 hours.  He puts
> in MANY MANY MANY more hours than any of his spoiled unionized blue collar
> workers even DREAM of putting in themselves!  And yet, they're talking of
> striking next year because - BOOHOO - the company cannot continue to pay
> 100% of their health insurance premiums.  The company is not asking the
> unionized workers to pay any more than what management has been paying for
> years, yet the spoiled unionized workers are planning to strike over this
> next year when the contract is up.  Quite frankly, my husband is being
> oppressed in his job by a female regional manager who favors other females
> in promotions.  The last person to get promoted was a female with less
than
> 2 years of service in, yet my husband who is eminently more qualified and
> smarter and who has nearly 5 years in, was not promoted.  Yes, my husband
> is white collar, but I have to work, too.
>
> Heidi
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Paul Osborne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Date: 9/14/2003 7:56:10 PM
> > Subject: Re: [ZION] working woman
> >
> > Gordon B. Hinckley, "Women of the Church," Ensign, Nov. 1996, 67
> > "Some years ago President Benson delivered a message to the women of the
> > Church. He encouraged them to leave their employment and give their
> > individual time to their children. I sustain the position which he took.
> > NEVERTHLESS, I recognize, as he recognized, that there are some women
(it
> > has become very MANY in fact) who HAVE TO WORK TO PROVIDE FOR THE NEEDS
> > OF THEIR FAMILIES. To you I say, do the very best you can. I hope that
if
> > you are employed full-time you are doing it to ensure that basic needs
> > are met and not simply to indulge a taste for an elaborate home, fancy
> > cars, and other luxuries. The greatest job that any mother will ever do
> > will be in nurturing, teaching, lifting, encouraging, and rearing her
> > children in righteousness and truth. None other can adequately take her
> > place."
> > ----------
> > There are "many" woman who have to work because their husbands are blue
> > collar workers who have been oppressed by the financial changes of our
> > society. The prophet is confessing to the Church there are changes
taking
> > place. President Bensen is dead and can no longer counsel the Church
> > regarding the movement of the LDS people in a changing world which
> > continues to get worse and oppress the poor working men of this world.
> > President Hinckley confesses that the number of woman is "MANY" that
> > "HAVE" to work.
> > I feel that those people (especially white collar men) that tell the
blue
> > collar men that wives shouldn’t work are way out of line and are NOT
> > following the counsel and example of the prophet! It is the white collar
> > men that have oppressed the blue collar men since this world began and
> > the day will come when that will no longer be the case.
> > Finally, if you self righteous white collar brethren don't like what I'm
> > saying-- then shove it where the sun don't shine! :-(((  so blahhh to
> > you!
> >
> > Paul O
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
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