I can forgive a child molester for molesting my child, but I would be a poor
steward indeed if I continued to allow my child to associate with that
person.  That is why repentance is required.  The change must be a godly,
righteous change.  But even then, in this case, I would think that any
association would wait until the eternities.

Forgiveness for past offenses is fine.  Putting your hand on the hot stove a
second time (when the stove is still hot) is stupid.

Jon

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Noel B" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2003 3:14 PM
Subject: RE: [ZION] Forgiveness of Serious Sins by Individual Members


> >You can forgive someone and never associate with them again.
>
> Can one's forgiveness be truly tested if there is no longer any
> association with the offender? True forgiveness is marked by the ability
> to show love and compassion in the face of hurt or offense.
>
> Just a thought...
> Noel
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Jon Spencer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2003 2:47 PM
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: Re: [ZION] Forgiveness of Serious Sins by Individual Members
> >
> >
> >NO!  it is up to the Lord whom he will forgive.  But as for
> >you (and me), it is a commandment that we must forgive, or we
> >are guilty of the greater sin.
> >
> >Of course, what do you mean by "forgive?"  Without going into
> >a long rambling statement, you can forgive someone without
> >exposing yourself to risk in the future.  You can forgive
> >someone and never associate with them again.  Forgive does not
> >mean that something did not happen.
> >
> >Forgiveness does not depend upon repentance on the part of the
> >offender. Your future association with them may, however.
> >
> >Jon
> >
> >----- Original Message ----- 
> >From: "Stacy Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 11:50 PM
> >Subject: [ZION] Forgiveness of Serious Sins by Individual Members
> >
> >
> >> Is it all right to make forgiveness of serious sins
> >conditional?  For
> >> example, "I'll forgive you if you are willing to join this church."
> >>
> >> Stacy.
>
>
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