Ron, why is it that you attack the commandments of God like this? 
Christ, to this day, condemns sexual impurity, even though he doesn't 
demand us to stone people to death. Some judgments MUST be made, 
otherwise you end up with no law, no order, only anarchy. Lehi taught 
there is right and wrong, up and down, light and darkness; that without 
the opposites there would be no God. As it is, God has given a law: 
marriage and sex between man and woman who are legally and lawfully 
married. Never has God given even a little inference that he would 
change his mind on either adultery or homosexuality.

Christ said what he said because the men involved were evil men. Each 
was guilty of adultery, probably with the accused woman (why else would 
they just happen to catch her but no man to take before Jesus?). They 
were being hypocrites, and he was pointing out their sin to them. Now, 
he told the woman to "go and sin no more." He recognized her sin, and as 
Savior, gave her one more chance. That was his right as Judge.

Since we aren't Christ, the Lawgiver, we must judge as best we can with 
the guidance God gives us. This means we must have laws on the books 
that ensure society's safety (no murder, no robbery, no cheating, and 
others that happen to be in the 10 Commandments - which happen to be 
more of the Mosaic Law you happened to condemn on homosexuality).  
Either Christ is for homosexuality, or he is against it. From what I've 
read in the scriptures (including Paul's words in the New Testament), 
and writings of modern prophets (note Pres Kimball in Miracle of 
Forgiveness, or the current missionary requirements of never having had 
a homosexual event) I'd say you are speaking with a forked tongue in 
attacking Steven.  Either you believe the consistent teachings of the 
prophets, or you don't. Twisting Christ's words in one event in the 
scriptures, which He was using to condemn the wicked, only shows your 
troubling use of the scriptures to fit a different schema than the 
prophets have proclaimed.

Steven mentioned the severity of the penalty for homosexuality to 
emphasize God's displeasure with it. He didn't say he agreed with the 
death penalty.  As it is, most states have at one time or another had 
(or have) laws on the books against adultery and homosexuality. Yes, at 
one time some of these laws even included the death penalty for 
homosexuality.

The reality is, homosexuality, whether in the closet or out in the open 
is a sin. In either situation, it denigrates and harms society. It will 
destroy society if it gets hold and full acceptance, just as we learn of 
Sodom and Gomorrah and others who have lived lives of debauchery. We 
cannot accept it, even in a tolerant PC way; as that is opening the door 
for accepting all sin.

Gary Smith



Ron Scott wrote:
> 
> 
> Ah yes, and stone to death adulterers too.  Cast that first
> stone, Steven.
> 
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Steven Montgomery [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2004 9:19 AM
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: RE: [ZION] Vote Now!
> >
> >
> >How about the Law of Moses (Jarom 1:5)? Contained
> >within the law of Moses
> >are many commandments, among them this one:
> >
> >(Old Testament | Leviticus 18:22)
> >Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it
> >is abomination.
> >
> >The penalty, for unrepentant sinners was death:
> >
> >(Old Testament | Leviticus 20:13)
> >If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a
> >woman, both of them have
> >committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to
> >death; their blood
> >shall be upon them.
> >
> >--
> >Steven Montgomery
> >
> >
> >At 03:18 AM 3/20/2004, you wrote:
> >>I have no idea.
> >>
> >> >-----Original Message-----
> >> >From: Steven Montgomery [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> >Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 8:29 PM
> >> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> >Subject: RE: [ZION] Vote Now!
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >What laws do you think?
> >> >
> >> >At 06:04 PM 3/19/2004, you wrote:
> >> >>What laws?
> >> >>
> >> >> >-----Original Message-----
> >> >> >From: Steven Montgomery [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> >> >Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 8:15 PM
> >> >> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> >> >Subject: Re: [ZION] Vote Now!
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >At 02:02 PM 3/19/2004, you wrote:
> >> >> >>Gays and lesbians should stay in the closet.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>A. Strongly agree
> >> >> >>B. Agree
> >> >> >>C. Undecided
> >> >> >>D. Disagree
> >> >> >>E. Strongly Disagree
> >> >> >
> >> >> >If the laws were strictly enforced, as they were in the
> >> >> >days of the "people
> >> >> >of Nephi," they would have to stay in the closet--to
> >> >> >avoid the penalty of
> >> >> >the law.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >--
> >> >> >Steven Montgomery
> >> >> >". . . the laws of the land were exceedingly
> >> >strict"--Jarom 1:5
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Gerald (Gary) Smith
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