Actually, think the three of you -- Gary, Tom and John-- are saying the same thing. And, I agree. I think it's important that we take the long view on Iraq, regard it as a beachhead in the Middle East for giving root to Democracy, however limited/modified it may be at first.
RBS >-----Original Message----- >From: Gerald Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2004 1:44 PM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: RE: [ZION] Vote Now! > > >That's somewhat of a fallacious generalization, John. >Yes, it is >difficult and it takes time. But you know what, in >business management >terms, we see change as requiring time. When a business >changes its >culture, it requires years for the complete change >over. Behaviorists >will tell you that normally 20-30% will quickly adapt >to the change, The >middle 30% adapt over several months to a year, with a >large number of >stragglers that take a long time. Then there are those >who never adapt, >who end up leaving the company for another with a >culture similar to >what they used to know. > >So it is in society. For the Western nations (English speaking >primarily), they took centuries to adapt. But Japan >and South Korea are >awesome democracies (non-English speaking) that have >learned the values >of freedom over a period of less than 50 years. A long >time when one >thinks of how impatient Americans are, but rather quick >in geological >terms. Why did Moses keep Israel in the wilderness for >40 years? It >would take that long for those with centuries-long >slave mentality to be >replaced by a generation of people with a new non-slave >culture and >mentality. So it is with nations. > >It might take Iraq 40-50 years to switch over to a >strong democracy. So >what? It means our grandchildren's children will live >in a world with >one more free nation that isn't run by radical kooks. > >Cultures can change. It takes time. But I have a long >term view of these >things. I'm glad our forefathers also had such a long >term vision, >otherwise they might have given up at Valley Forge or >when the Articles >of Confederation failed. > >Gary Smith > >John W. Redelfs wrote: >> >> Tom Matkin wrote: >> > > The USA and her allies will successfully >establish democratic rule in >> > > Iraq. >> > > >> > > A. Certainly >> > > B. Probably >> > > C. Maybe >> > > D. Unlikely >> > > E. Certainly not >> > >> >E. Certainly not. Democratic rule is a privilege >that must be earned. >> >The people of Iraq cannot have it given to them or >established for them >> >any more than I can give someone else my own >character or discipline. >> >All the USA can do is try to improve the >circumstances for the growth of >> >democracy. In most cases those interventions seem >to about as >> >successful as premature efforts interventions to >help a chick hatch. >> >> I strongly agree with you, Tom. Freedom, and the >western democratic >> traditions that establish and maintain freedom are a cultural >> phenomenon, >> not something that can be imposed from above. The >roots of freedom in >> the >> west go back in the English speaking cultures to >medieval Britain. That >> is >> why we have democracy in the USA, Canada, Australia, >and a few other >> places. That is also why democracy is so tentative >on the European >> continent, and almost nonexistent in non western >nations. Democracy is >> a >> mind set that is engendered in families that >understand and value >> fundamental, God-given human rights. Those families >are almost all >> English >> speaking. >> >> >> John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> =========================================== >> "I know of nothing in the history of the Church or in the >> history of the world to compare with our present >> circumstances. Nothing happened in Sodom and >> Gomorrah which exceeds the wickedness and depravity >> which surrounds us now." --President Boyd K. Packer, >> February 28, 2004 >> =========================================== >> All my opinions are tentative pending further data. --JWR >> > > > >Gerald (Gary) Smith >geraldsmith@ juno.com >http://www.geocities.com/rameumptom > >//////////////////////////////////////////////////////// >////////////////////// >/// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// >/// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// >//////////////////////////////////////////////////////// >///////////////////// -- ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// --^---------------------------------------------------------------- This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For Topica's complete suite of email marketing solutions visit: http://www.topica.com/?p=TEXFOOTER --^----------------------------------------------------------------