How did I attack the commandments of God? I merely commented on Steven's rather harsh and outdated penalties. He didn't ask whether to comment on what was forbidden by the Lord did he? I did not *attack* Steven and I certainly did not attack Christ's teachings.
At the moment, the USA is not a theocracy. All of us have pledged before God to sustain, honor and obey the law of the land and to be subjects to kings, magistrates, rulers etc. I am so bound, so are you. Neverthless, I know what God teaches and what he doesn't. I do not need the government to teach me what's right in the eyes of God and what is not. It's better if the laws correspond. But if the don't, it's not likely twist my trousers into a knot You are absolutely correct: Christ is our judge. You are not mine nor am I yours. I do not not know your mind nor your particular circumstances and history. Neither do you know mine. Ron >-----Original Message----- >From: Gerald Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2004 2:18 PM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: RE: [ZION] Vote Now! > > >Ron, why is it that you attack the commandments of God >like this? >Christ, to this day, condemns sexual impurity, even >though he doesn't >demand us to stone people to death. Some judgments MUST >be made, >otherwise you end up with no law, no order, only >anarchy. Lehi taught >there is right and wrong, up and down, light and >darkness; that without >the opposites there would be no God. As it is, God has >given a law: >marriage and sex between man and woman who are legally >and lawfully >married. Never has God given even a little inference >that he would >change his mind on either adultery or homosexuality. > >Christ said what he said because the men involved were >evil men. Each >was guilty of adultery, probably with the accused woman >(why else would >they just happen to catch her but no man to take before >Jesus?). They >were being hypocrites, and he was pointing out their >sin to them. Now, >he told the woman to "go and sin no more." He >recognized her sin, and as >Savior, gave her one more chance. That was his right as Judge. > >Since we aren't Christ, the Lawgiver, we must judge as >best we can with >the guidance God gives us. This means we must have laws >on the books >that ensure society's safety (no murder, no robbery, no >cheating, and >others that happen to be in the 10 Commandments - which >happen to be >more of the Mosaic Law you happened to condemn on >homosexuality). >Either Christ is for homosexuality, or he is against >it. From what I've >read in the scriptures (including Paul's words in the >New Testament), >and writings of modern prophets (note Pres Kimball in >Miracle of >Forgiveness, or the current missionary requirements of >never having had >a homosexual event) I'd say you are speaking with a >forked tongue in >attacking Steven. Either you believe the consistent >teachings of the >prophets, or you don't. Twisting Christ's words in one >event in the >scriptures, which He was using to condemn the wicked, >only shows your >troubling use of the scriptures to fit a different >schema than the >prophets have proclaimed. > >Steven mentioned the severity of the penalty for >homosexuality to >emphasize God's displeasure with it. He didn't say he >agreed with the >death penalty. As it is, most states have at one time >or another had >(or have) laws on the books against adultery and >homosexuality. Yes, at >one time some of these laws even included the death penalty for >homosexuality. > >The reality is, homosexuality, whether in the closet or >out in the open >is a sin. In either situation, it denigrates and harms >society. It will >destroy society if it gets hold and full acceptance, >just as we learn of >Sodom and Gomorrah and others who have lived lives of >debauchery. We >cannot accept it, even in a tolerant PC way; as that is >opening the door >for accepting all sin. > >Gary Smith > > > >Ron Scott wrote: >> >> >> Ah yes, and stone to death adulterers too. Cast that first >> stone, Steven. >> >> >-----Original Message----- >> >From: Steven Montgomery [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2004 9:19 AM >> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >Subject: RE: [ZION] Vote Now! >> > >> > >> >How about the Law of Moses (Jarom 1:5)? Contained >> >within the law of Moses >> >are many commandments, among them this one: >> > >> >(Old Testament | Leviticus 18:22) >> >Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it >> >is abomination. >> > >> >The penalty, for unrepentant sinners was death: >> > >> >(Old Testament | Leviticus 20:13) >> >If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a >> >woman, both of them have >> >committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to >> >death; their blood >> >shall be upon them. >> > >> >-- >> >Steven Montgomery >> > >> > >> >At 03:18 AM 3/20/2004, you wrote: >> >>I have no idea. >> >> >> >> >-----Original Message----- >> >> >From: Steven Montgomery [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 8:29 PM >> >> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >Subject: RE: [ZION] Vote Now! >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >What laws do you think? >> >> > >> >> >At 06:04 PM 3/19/2004, you wrote: >> >> >>What laws? >> >> >> >> >> >> >-----Original Message----- >> >> >> >From: Steven Montgomery >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >> >Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 8:15 PM >> >> >> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >> >Subject: Re: [ZION] Vote Now! >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >At 02:02 PM 3/19/2004, you wrote: >> >> >> >>Gays and lesbians should stay in the closet. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>A. Strongly agree >> >> >> >>B. Agree >> >> >> >>C. Undecided >> >> >> >>D. Disagree >> >> >> >>E. Strongly Disagree >> >> >> > >> >> >> >If the laws were strictly enforced, as they were in the >> >> >> >days of the "people >> >> >> >of Nephi," they would have to stay in the closet--to >> >> >> >avoid the penalty of >> >> >> >the law. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >-- >> >> >> >Steven Montgomery >> >> >> >". . . the laws of the land were exceedingly >> >> >strict"--Jarom 1:5 >> >> >> > >> >> >> >>//////////////////////////////////////////////////////// >> >> >> >////////////////////// >> >> >> >/// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// >> >> >> >/// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// >> >> >> >>//////////////////////////////////////////////////////// >> >> >> >///////////////////// >> >> >>-- >> >> >> >> >> >>/////////////////////////////////////////////////////// >> >> >/////////////////////// >> >> >>/// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// >> >> >>/// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// >> >> >>/////////////////////////////////////////////////////// >> >> >////////////////////// >> >> > >> >> >//////////////////////////////////////////////////////// >> >> >////////////////////// >> >> >/// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// >> >> >/// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// >> >> >//////////////////////////////////////////////////////// >> >> >///////////////////// >> >>----------- >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >>/////////////////////////////////////////////////////// >> >/////////////////////// >> >>/// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// >> >>/// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// >> >>/////////////////////////////////////////////////////// >> >////////////////////// >> > >> > >> >-- >> >Steven Montgomery >> ><html> >> ><a href="http://www.stoptheftaa.org/?af=linktous3";> >> ><img border="0" >> >src="http://www.stoptheftaa.org/_images/linktous/sftaalo >> >gosmall.jpg" >> >width="406" height="100"></a> >> ></html> >> >http://www.stoptheftaa.org >> > >> >//////////////////////////////////////////////////////// >> >////////////////////// >> >/// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// >> >/// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// >> >//////////////////////////////////////////////////////// >> >///////////////////// >> ----------- >> > >> > >> >> > > > >Gerald (Gary) Smith >geraldsmith@ juno.com >http://www.geocities.com/rameumptom > >//////////////////////////////////////////////////////// >////////////////////// >/// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// >/// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// >//////////////////////////////////////////////////////// >///////////////////// -- ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// --^---------------------------------------------------------------- This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For Topica's complete suite of email marketing solutions visit: http://www.topica.com/?p=TEXFOOTER --^----------------------------------------------------------------
