I went with my 11 year old on a school choir trip today to Calgary for a
choral festival performance.  On the bus I listened to a CD tape of a
talk by Mike Wilcox called "Noah Blindness"  It has some interesting
insights into a number of things, including seers, and judging. He
points out that the guilty are always very quick to invoke the complaint
that they are being unfairly judged whenever their wickedness is
condemned.  The whole Abinadi vs. King Noah confrontation is based on
this reaction. Verse 13 in Chapter 12 of Mosiah is just a bit of it, as
the wicked priests protest against 
Abinadi's message:

And now, O king, what great evil hast thou done, or what great sins have
thy people committed, that we should be condemned of God or judged of
this man?

Tom

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Cobabe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 5:28 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [ZION] Judging


This controversy about judgement is a straw man that is raised 
regularly.  It usually comes up because someone has suggested a context 
in which we clearly ought to pass some kind of judgement.  The 
always-ironic response from so many is so consistently and so stupidly 
predictable -- "Oh, but you're being judgemental -- you dare not presume

to judge!  Judging is _bad_."

The incipient irony is alway so deliciously bitter-sweet.  :->

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