Thanks for the update Anya!  I for one am very excited about the idea of
using our own software to help eliminate the splintering that is happening
within the movement.

I would like to remind everyone that there is a developers meetings held on
mumble on Sundays at 18:00 UTC for more than month now (it would be great to
see other developers using our preferred means of communication like mailing
list, IRC and Mumbe, where more than 20 developers are present everyday). But
I would like to encourage all of the developers on our team to keep ideas
and questions on open communication platforms for a few reasons.

 -  Not all devs can access one voip client/server at this current time.
 -  Not all devs can be present at meetings.
 -  We are building a global team across timezones and in our spare time.

Therefore the idea of using voip meetings are great, but they should not
become the main source of communication for our development team due to the
fact that not everyone can attend and participate fully.

So I propose that all core discussions and decisions should be made with
full transparency and participation though mailing lists or collaboration
tools like wave. These forms of communication allow all the developers to
participate when they are available and eliminate the time restrictions or
conflicts and also remove some of the mis-communications that can happen in
voice chat.

All our skills are needed to push these projects forward and they require
total open communication channel for them to grow and function as an
integrated system.

We want to build a network which connects people with people, data with data
and data with people. One integrated system powered and owned by the people.

We are in charge of building the systems of the future, today, and we can
only accomplish this as ONE.



On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 10:55 AM, anya <> wrote:

> Gentlemen,
> This all is way too important,
> I wish to remind everyone that we have a meeting room in TS now and
> tomorrow, Saturday we will hold our first meeting there at 18:00 UTC
> Anticipating a big leap in the size of the movement in 2010 it is true to
> say that we are looking forward for a very intense development year and
> there is a profound need to design very efficient Internet space for the
> movement's rapid growth to be accommodated.
> No doubts, Zynergy is a turn in a very right direction.
> Anya
> 2010/1/22 vince spicer <>
>> Hey Dario,
>> 1) that is weird I used launchpads built in "contact the team" form.  I
>> will use my email client from now on to email the developers.
>> 2) Yes launchpad is supposed to give us a central development
>> environment/bug/code repo/mailing lists. With the option of hosting our own
>> if we feel that need arises.
>> But Zynergys' goal is a web application framework and not a development
>> framework.  I'm sorry if there was confusion there.
>> The idea behind Zynergy is to create a website that all developers can
>> contribute too and easily communicate with other developers apps all within
>> one look and feel.
>> Example flow:
>> developer1 get an app idea for survey app
>> he/she then registers the survey app with the Zynergy servers
>> The apps then gets http://outdomain/survey assigned to it and the
>> developer then has access to the zynergy users and data via templates and
>> apis, which they can use to populate either a portal on a sidebar, or the
>> main_content div of the site.
>> This can allow all developers to effectively contribute to the main site,
>> and hopefully stop us from have a hundred domains with
>> hundred separate apps  with no clear lines of communication.
>> Does this clear up some confusion?
>> Questions and ideas are more then welcome :)
>> Vince
>> On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 7:22 AM, Dario Figueira <>wrote:
>>> Hi vinces,
>>> Just some parallel questions bc i'm confused.
>>> - You email us all in Bcc? Bc it show like you just emailed me directly
>>> and i can't reply to all (bad);
>>> - In the sense of centralizing developers efforts, isn't that what
>>> lauchpad is all about? Can't we at this point pretty much forget the
>>> forum/wiki ?
>>> And to all,
>>> - All other mentioned projects source codes should be inputted into
>>> launchpad as branches of the main programming team launchpad, correct?
>>> Chop-chop ppl, only zynergy, zmsocial and Zirm are there yet.
>>> Dario Figueira
>>> On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 4:45 AM, vinces1979 <>wrote:
>>>> Hey ZM Devs,
>>>>   Like many other developers, I am sure we can all see, that there is
>>>> some major splintering of data and a lot of unneeded duplication that is
>>>> occurring within the movements development community. There are numerous
>>>> different forums and applications, all with their own registrations,
>>>> logins, and profiles. Again and again the same questions are being asked
>>>> and time is needed to answer these questions and to assist users though
>>>> the registration process, not to mention the time taken by developers to
>>>> source and implement these sites, the resources, money and time spent
>>>> building these "copy" sites. It feels to me like our community isn't
>>>> really a community but a group of smaller groups all struggling on their
>>>> own to accomplish the same goals.
>>>>    I have heard so many good ideas and I think we need to make it
>>>> easier for people to implement these ideas for the movement. New
>>>> developers shouldn't have to think about setting up logins and
>>>> registrations, handling profiles and user data. They should be able to
>>>> start building their apps for the community to use, without reinventing
>>>> the wheel over and over again.
>>>>    So we are starting a new ambitious project and I am putting the code
>>>> and the idea out there for feedback and/or assistance. This will be a
>>>> fully opensource project from the ground up, built around the ideas and
>>>> methodologies set forth by the opensource movement. All code contributed
>>>> must be fully opensource and GPL compatible. We need a system that we
>>>> can build and improve moving forward and not rely exclusively on any
>>>> company or external organization for any piece of it.
>>>>   We propose building a new web application framework for the movement,
>>>> with the main purpose of letting our developers work together to build
>>>> and maintain one large system with all the pieces working together as
>>>> one.
>>>>  The basic idea behind this app has been tried and tested. This concept
>>>> allows developers to work within a general framework, run own code on
>>>> their own servers and dispaly results within the main site. The
>>>> developers are essentially only responsible for populating a div. The
>>>> rest of the site is manged by the framework. User accounts and data are
>>>> shared amoung the apps giving the illusion of one site, but distribute
>>>> the majority of the site content across all of our resources.
>>>>  This primary idea stands behind social networking sites "apps", and
>>>> mobile phone "apps", so the idea is not a new one. But these platforms
>>>> always restrict the developers for "security" reasons to lock the
>>>> developers out of functionality and require them to jump through hoops
>>>> to get their apps to work on the providers proprietary platform.
>>>>   We hope to eliminate the need for much of this unneeded security by
>>>> opening the source, and using best existing development methods of
>>>> collaboration, together with new approaches being actively created
>>>> within our team. We will of course need to protect some personal details
>>>> (this will need to be decided upon), but allowing developers make what
>>>> they want within our community platform without limits should be a goal.
>>>>   As suggested above, the movement apps will be fully opensource and
>>>> GPL compatible. Applications' developers must agree to full transparency
>>>> in development and in source control. As well as agree to code audits by
>>>> peers on the live code.
>>>> The Initial idea was drafted in Wave:
>>>> Launchpad Project:
>>>> We look forward to hearing some great ideas and feedback from the team.
>>>> Thanks for your time,
>>>> Vince
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