On 22.07.13 13:13, Jim Fulton wrote:
On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 11:43 PM, Christian Tismer <tis...@stackless.com> wrote:
Third rant, dear Zope-Friends (and I mean it as friends!).
In an attempt to make the ZODB a small, independant package, ZODB
has been split into many modules.
Maybe not as many as you think:
persistent, transaction, ZEO, ZODB and BTrees.
I appreciate that, while I think it partially has the opposite effect:
- splitting BTrees apart is a good idea per se.
But the way as it is, it adds more Namespace-pollution than benefits:
To make sense of BTrees, you need the ZODB, and only the ZODB!
So, why should then BTrees be a top-level module at all?
This does not feel natural, but eavesdropping, pretending as something
that is untrue.
- BTrees should either be a ZODB sub-package in its current state,
- or a real stand-alone package with some way of adding persistence as
I don't agree that because a package depends on ZODB
it should be in ZODB. There are lots of packages that depend
This is generally true. In the case of BTrees, I think the ZODB
is nothing without BTrees, and BTrees make no sense without
a storage and carry those _p_<attributes> which are not optional.
BTrees would make more sense as a standalone package if the persistence
model were pluggable. But that is also theoretical because I don't see
right now how to split that further with all the C code.
That made me think it belongs to ZODB, what else could it support,
and who would ever install ZODB without it.
I agree with your sentiments about namespace pollution.
You and I may be the only ones that care though .3 ;).
Yay, actually I care mainly because just trying 'pip install ZODB'
spreads out n folders in my site-packages, and 'pip uninstall ZODB'
to pick the names by hand. That's why I want things nicely grouped ;-)
cheers - chris
Christian Tismer :^) <mailto:tis...@stackless.com>
Software Consulting : Have a break! Take a ride on Python's
Karl-Liebknecht-Str. 121 : *Starship* http://starship.python.net/
14482 Potsdam : PGP key -> http://pgp.uni-mainz.de
phone +49 173 24 18 776 fax +49 (30) 700143-0023
PGP 0x57F3BF04 9064 F4E1 D754 C2FF 1619 305B C09C 5A3B 57F3 BF04
whom do you want to sponsor today? http://www.stackless.com/
For more information about ZODB, see http://zodb.org/
ZODB-Dev mailing list - ZODB-Dev@zope.org