What happens during a network partition and different clients are
incrementing "different" counters, and then the partition goes away?
Won't (potentially) the same sequence value be given out to two

.. Adam

On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 5:38 PM, Jonathan Holloway
<jonathan.hollo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Ted,
> Thanks for the comments.
> I might have overlooked something here, but is it also possible to do the
> following:
> 1. Create a PERSISTENT node
> 2. Have multiple clients set the data on the node, e.g.  Stat stat =
> zookeeper.setData(SEQUENCE, ArrayUtils.EMPTY_BYTE_ARRAY, -1);
> 3. Use the version number from stat.getVersion() as the sequence (obviously
> I'm limited to Integer.MAX_VALUE)
> Are there any weird race conditions involved here which would mean that a
> client would receive the wrong Stat object back?
> Many thanks again,
> Jon.
> On 5 August 2010 16:09, Ted Dunning <ted.dunn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> (b)
>> BUT:
>> Sequential numbering is a special case of "now".  In large diameters, now
>> gets very expensive.  This is a special case of that assertion.  If there
>> is
>> a way to get away from this presumption of the need for sequential
>> numbering, you will be miles better off.
>> ZK can do better than you suggest.  Incrementing a counter does involve
>> potential contention, but you will very likely be able to get to pretty
>> high
>> rates before the optimistic locking begins to fail.  If you code your
>> update
>> with a few tries at full speed followed by some form of retry back-off, you
>> should get pretty close to the best possible performance.
>> You might also try building a lock with an ephemeral file before updating
>> the counter.  I would expect that this will be slower than the back-off
>> option if only because involves more transactions in ZK.  IF you wanted to
>> get too complicated for your own good, you could have a secondary strategy
>> flag that is only sampled by all clients every few seconds and is updated
>> whenever a client needs to back-off more than say 5 steps.  If this flag
>> has
>> been updated recently, then clients should switch to the locking protocol.
>>  You might even have several locks so that you don't exclude all other
>> updaters, merely thin them out a bit.  This flagged strategy would run as
>> fast as optimistic locking as long as optimistic locking is fast and then
>> would limit the total number of transactions needed under very high load.
>> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Jonathan Holloway <
>> jonathan.hollo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > My so far involve:
>> > a) Creating a node with PERSISTENT_SEQUENTIAL then deleting it - this
>> gives
>> > me the monotonically increasing number, but the sequence number isn't
>> > contiguous
>> > b) Storing the sequence number in the data portion of a persistent node -
>> > then updating this (using the version number - aka optimistic locking).
>> >  The
>> > problem with this is that under high load I'm assuming there'll be a lot
>> of
>> > contention and hence failures with regards to updates.
>> >

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