We have contributed quite a few bug fixes to CMF, though that has been
hampered by problems getting CVS access (I sent in my contributor form
over a year ago and have yet to hear anything; as Tres has indicated,
this has been a problem for several other Plone developers as well).

I'm hoping that will move along faster now. That's out of the hands of any of the active developers unfortunately.

We have also offered some fairly substantial pieces of code to the CMF
(Archetypes, CMFFormController, SpeedPack), but have met with
indifference and/or active rejection.  I have several products I think
could find a home in the CMF, but given the response to previous offers,
I'm not sure it's worth the trouble to make the offer.

I don't claim to know the details of how that went down, but I distinctly remember from the time both Tres and I were still at ZC that Tres offered to incorporate AT and have it become part of CMF. I'm not sure who exactly he talked to, but from what I remember that was met with the same indifference you're attesting the CMF community.

In general, I sense a fair amount of hostility to Plone expressed on the
list in the form of gratuitous sniping.

If you want us to participate, it might help to play more nicely.

I would like to note that CMF != Plone. Plone is the largest "consumer", correct, but that doesn't mean everyone who uses CMF uses Plone, or that individual participants are forbidden to have a negative opinion about Plone. Life on mailing lists is tough and full of taunts and flame throwing. The CMF list is actually one of the least "offensive" lists I am on.

That said, I have heard some good ideas from e.g. Paul about how to re-align the "factions" better in the future and I hope both Paul and Tres can talk about it more in Vienna, and pull in suitable Plone leaders. It would help everyone if the CMF side opened up a little more to ideas coming down from Plone, and if the Plone side stopped reinventing wheels that would be much better off (and benefit everyone) in the CMF or other non-Plone core products.


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