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> Hi Tres!
> Tres Seaver wrote:
>> yuppie wrote:
>>> Or do you prefer to keep things as they are over a less clean switch to
>> Yes. I'd rather get 2.1 out, even with tools-which-can't-be-utilitiies
>> as they are, then delay.
> I'm not just talking about CMF 2.1. I'm fine if the result of this
> discussion is a roadmap that starts with CMF 2.2. But if there is no
> realistic roadmap at all we might better revert all the
> tools-as-utilities changes. The few utilities we have right now are not
> worth the trouble. Starting the migration makes only sense if we have a
> plan to finish it.
>> Note that this problem is basically due to the desire to cache the
>> aq_chain for utilities: if we punt on that, we can then defer this
>> whole issue.
> Maybe that's your reason why you didn't argue against the proposal. I
> consider the possibility to cache utilities just a side effect of
> removing the REQUEST from the wrappers.
I thought that caching was the *reason* for removing the request;
otherwise, we could just re-wrap the tool in each 'getUtility' call and
it would have access to the request as it does today.
> This is not about making the implementation easier. This is about
> defining what utilities are. If they provide self.REQUEST they become a
> utility-view monster that has not much in common with Zope 3 utilities.
> Reducing Zope 2 magic to a minimum if we use Zope 3 technology is a good
> thing - even if that forces us to be more explicit about required
> REQUEST arguments.
That's fine, but just means that we have to invent *new* utilities and
change application code to begin calling the new APIs: right now,
nobody in the wild expects to pass a REQUEST to most of those methods.
Once the replacement utilities are available, we can start deprecating
the "tool-ish" APIs. Note that such a change is *way* too late in the
release cycle for 2.1.
Tres Seaver +1 540-429-0999 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Palladion Software "Excellence by Design" http://palladion.com
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