Tim Peters wrote:
[Seb Bacon]
...but my (naive?) reading of the documentation was that reference
cycles are cleaned out by the garbage collector, *unless* they define
a __del__ (which is not the case here).  How am I wrong?



You're reading the docs correctly.  It's not necessarily cycles directly
involving Foo objects that causes Foo objects to leak, it can be instead
that some other (non-Foo) objects in cycles can't be collected, from which
the Foo objects are in turn reachable.  When an object O can't be collected,
then neither can any object reachable from O.  gc.get_referrers() can be
used to find objects that refer to a given Foo instance.  It's also possible
that a something S refers to a Foo instance where S doesn't participate in
cyclic gc.  Then any cycle containing S is immortal, regardless of whether
__del__ methods are defined in the cycle, and also then gc.get_referrers()
can't reveal S's existence.  Sometimes such an S is in the Python core, or
in Zope's C code, although the more recent the release the less likely that
is (more & more kinds of objects have been added to cyclic gc over time).
Are you sure that *only* Foo objects are leaking?  It's pretty rare, when
there's a leak, to see only one kind of object leaking.

You're right, there seem to be a few other things involved. I think Foo comes out top simply because it is the most numerous instance involved in the leak.


So, say Foo is leaking because it is referenced from O which can't be collected. Given 100 things which refer to Foo, how do I identify which one is O? And of course, then O may be leaking because it is referenced from P...

I sense this question is a bit like asking someone to explain how to solve a Rubik's Cube in 3 words. but FWIW, the kind of logic I'm using is:

  - run test case
  - notice that there are a lot of references to Foo
  - get an instance of Foo using sys.getobjects(0)
  - get referrers using gc.get_referrers(Foo)
  - run garbage collection using gc.collect()?
  - is Foo still there?  Which of its referrers are still there?

Incidentally, I've found some other bug. I can get Zope to segfault by calling PickleCache.minimize(3), if a Bar object has been loaded which defines a __del__ method thus:

  def __del__(self):
     print "deleting", self.getId()

It couldn't be related, could it?

(it's borking at a point where it frees memory)

Cheers,

Seb


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