- It *will be* the responsibility of the Zope 2 devs to
    make sure Z2 works with the version of Z3 bundled at the


It'd be great if active Z3 developers could actually help make new
releases of Z2 once Five is integrated but the above makes it sound like
a "we'll throw it over the wall and you make it work" sort of thing. If
it's the latter, maybe as devil's advocate, I need to ask what the point
is here?

It came across the same way for me. Not only "we Z3 people will go along on our merry way, let the Z2 people deal with the problems", it's also about bundling a version of Z3 that is apparently not within the Z3 developers' path anymore (at least from the description).

I didn't answer until I read Chris' post because I work on CMF when I work on Zope, so I don't do much as far as checkins to Zope goes. He says what I only thought, and I had the same thing in the back of my mind: If this becomes an obstacle I just won't touch it anymore.

Yes, I will get into Z3 at some point myself, but preferably at a time of my own choosing...

It appears there is an assumption that merging Z2 and Z3 code within Z2
itself is an unmitigated good thing, but IMHO, each is complicated
enough in their own right that I'd personally prefer to be dealing with
one or the other at any given time and not both.  This isn't exactly
idle whining either, I need to do this when I maintain Z4I code, and
it's definitely not a walk in the park; it's moderately difficult to do
and also difficult find people who have the skills to help too.

Right on. Now, I have no idea how similar or different the Z3-Z2 marriage in 2.8 is to that unholy alliance that is used for Z4I, but working on it for Z4I is an exercise in frustration every time I had to do it.


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