Stephan Richter wrote: > On Wednesday 23 November 2005 22:01, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: > > Messing up Zope 3 is specifically not the intention of this proposal. It > > says so explicitly in the "Your questions answered" section. > > Though it is not your intend, the merge would in fact mess up the trunk, > specifically from a Zope 3 developer's perspective.
Really, *how* does it mess up the trunk? Half of the packages of Zope 2 are also in Zope 3 because they're either ZODB or Zope3-related anyway. Another quarter of the packages will go away within one year, I think (such as DocumentTemplate, StructuredText, etc., as they are duplicate implementations of zope.documenttemplate, zope.structuredtext, etc.). > > You state correctly that "some Zope 3 developers don't care about Zope2". > > This might seem like a suitable point of view, but as Martijn pointed out > > very well, it's also a foolish one. It limits the acceptance of Zope 3 > > within the Zope community. > > How is it foolish? I have no need for Zope 2, so why should I maintain it? No one is asking you to maintain it. You're confusing maintance with bringing up to speed with refactorings. > There is nothing in for me here. That I doubt. There's a lot of code and experience in the Zope 2 community which might be underestimated... > > Zope 2 is a mess, I give you that. I'm not asking any Zope 3 developer to > > re-embrace it, though. > > But I have to relearn it for the pure purpose of developing on the Zope 3 > trunk. That's just not right! No one says you have relearn Zope 2; you merely have to run the tests. See my other post about this. > > In fact, the idea of this proposal is not that Zope > > 2 is going to stay with us forever. It is about speeding up the convergence > > process! There are a good amount of people, Martijn and me included, who > > are working towards improving Zope 2 and we simply want to attract more > > people to help us. > > Yeah, you are forcing me to help you out! So are you with zope.wfmc, zope.contentprovider, zope.viewlet and all those other things that you and others checked into Zope 3 and I have no clue about whatsoever. Sorry, this argument is moot because not too long ago the Zope 3 repository was strongly advertised as a place for people to put their Zope3-related software so that it would be kept up to speed with refactorings and such. If that offer was for non-Zope-core software, it should especially be good for Zope itself. > > The few "Zope 3 developers [that] don't care > > about Zope2" are the minority and I think they could use the help from the > > rest of the Zope community. > > It depends on the perspective you take. If you look at the whole community, > then yes, we are probably in the minority (even though that counting all > people that voted so far, there are more -1 votes). A more appropriate sample > would be the people actually contributing to Zope 3 on a regular basis or the > ones that exclusively use Zope 3. Using this group, we have about an 80-90% > -1 vote count. Sure, I realize that. Note however that I'm looking to get more Zope 3 contributors with this action. As I've pointed out before, I treat a +1 from an active Zope 2 developer as a commitment towards Zope 3 contributions. Even pure Zope 3 developers will benefit from that because it takes work off their shoulders. Philipp ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. _______________________________________________ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )