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Laurence Rowe wrote:
> Roger Ineichen wrote:
>> just a sample;
>> In my point of view an application like a wiki or forum etc.
>> should get developed as a python application without to require
>> a global request because it's just a (MVC) model part. There should
>> never be a request involved. If such a wiki needs a "last modified user"
>> argument. This should not get set by a global request lookup.
>> Or at least not the model should use such a global request by itself.
>> If you need to set such a "last user modified" argument the view/controller
>> should be responsible for doing so. I'm pretty sure if we have a global
>> request available we will see very quick that developer start to use
>> the global request in the model part.
>> Note, mixin model, view and controller responisibilities into one 
>> component/object make it allmost impossible to replace or reuse
>> parts of it.
> The most convincing reason for me to persevere with the current pattern 
> of views is that it offers the possibility of adaption on the request. 
> This is something that repoze.bfg is exploring and I think could be 
> helpful, for instance registering separate views on POSTRequest from 
> GETRequest.

BFG has always looked up views by adaptation of context and request,
using the ZCA:  there isn't anything we are "exploring" about that,
although Chris moved the method-name-based factories from an external
package into the core recently, making it easier to use the RESTy
request types.

> I don't see anything wrong in allowing a utility access to the request 
> without explicitly including it in its method signature. If they choose 
> to use it from a model, it's their foot and they are free to shoot it if 
> they wish.

If a utliity *must* have access to the request, then it should either be
a view (and get it for free) or get it passed to it from a view as an
argument.  That is how the ZCA is suppoed to be used, separating the
concerns between request-dependant and request-independent code.

I don't actually know how this package fits in with either Z2 or Z3:  Z2
apps are always able to acquire the request, while Z3 apps use the
"separation of concerns" pattern I just outlined.  I've never wanted a
'get_request' method in "production" code:  I would consider the need
for it a sign that something in the application is factored wrongly.

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