Hi there,

I just realized the irony in this:

[Martijn spends a lot of time in trying to solve problems in our 
community, bothering to consult lots of people and writing up a document]

> I'm pretty sure a steering group and a rebranding of existing software is not
> going to make us more effective.  Here's what I believe would make us more
> effective:

Bam, all of Martijn's proposals shot dead entirely.

[Chris, again]
> - discourage the contribution of stop energy (discourage
>   the utterances of "don't", "stop", "this is wrong",
>   "stop talking about this").

Chris, do you see any irony in this too?



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