Am Freitag 22 Januar 2010 14:46:16 schrieb Lennart Regebro: > On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 04:55, Alex Clark <acl...@aclark.net> wrote: > > We certainly > > have not reached the goal of helping newcomers understand the Zope > > ecosystem in any other way to date, IMO.) > > If this is so, then I'm surprised. It seems perfectly clear to me. > > 1. In the beginning there is Python, the language. > > 2. Then you get ZCA a component architecture for Python. It has > nothing to do with Web whatsoever. > > 3. Then we have ZTK. A toolkit for building web frameworks. > > 4. On top of that we have Zope 2, BlueBream and Grok. > > 5. There is also BFG, which doesn't include/build on the ZTK (as the others > do). > > > It's pretty clear to me. Notice the almost complete lack of naming > confusion, and the plethora of marketable names and TLA's. The paper > pushers like these kinds of graphs (although I think we need something > prettier, I might try do do something this weekend, but I'm no > designer...)
No problem that you are no designer, if the concept is clearly communicated, there will be people around who can prettify it. > And when it comes to separating the frameworks it obviously becomes > more complex. So we need to explain this, what the different framworks > are good at in a clear way. I see it like this, but I could be wrong: The above list (and http://wiki.zope.org/bluebream/relationship-after.png, which resembles the list) pretty much explains and structures things. Personally, I think that Plone (and maybe other applications, e.g. Silva?) are missing in the big picture (not necessary for explaining BlueBream, though). The problem I see is where to go from this graph/list. I personally would expect to be able to advance from there to project home pages. This is true for grok/zope2/bluebream (in .zope.org), and also for BFG (bfg.repoze.org). What I can't find is some entry page for ZTK (at least I find http://docs.zope.org/zopetoolkit). Nice would be something like "ztk.zope.org" which could be similar to zope2.zope.org. When it gets to ZCA, I can't find anything, except for Baiju's book and maybe somewhere some document about the Zope Component Architecture. If we introduce the word ZCA, I would recommend to put up a simple page on e.g. "zca.zope.org", where people can learn what this is, links to a documentation and maybe has some download/install information and some tutorial. Best Regards, Hermann -- herm...@qwer.tk GPG key ID: 299893C7 (on keyservers) FP: 0124 2584 8809 EF2A DBF9 4902 64B4 D16B 2998 93C7 _______________________________________________ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )