Am Freitag 22 Januar 2010 14:46:16 schrieb Lennart Regebro:
> On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 04:55, Alex Clark <acl...@aclark.net> wrote:
> > We certainly
> > have not reached the goal of helping newcomers understand the Zope
> > ecosystem in any other way to date, IMO.)
> If this is so, then I'm surprised. It seems perfectly clear to me.
> 1. In the beginning there is Python, the language.
> 2. Then you get ZCA a component architecture for Python. It has
> nothing to do with Web whatsoever.
> 3. Then we have ZTK. A toolkit for building web frameworks.
> 4. On top of that we have Zope 2, BlueBream and Grok.
> 5. There is also BFG, which doesn't include/build on the ZTK (as the others
> It's pretty clear to me. Notice the almost complete lack of naming
> confusion, and the plethora of marketable names and TLA's. The paper
> pushers like these kinds of graphs (although I think we need something
> prettier, I might try do do something this weekend, but I'm no
No problem that you are no designer, if the concept is clearly communicated,
there will be people around who can prettify it.
> And when it comes to separating the frameworks it obviously becomes
> more complex. So we need to explain this, what the different framworks
> are good at in a clear way. I see it like this, but I could be wrong:
The above list (and http://wiki.zope.org/bluebream/relationship-after.png,
which resembles the list) pretty much explains and structures things.
Personally, I think that Plone (and maybe other applications, e.g. Silva?)
are missing in the big picture (not necessary for explaining BlueBream,
The problem I see is where to go from this graph/list. I personally would
expect to be able to advance from there to project home pages. This is true
for grok/zope2/bluebream (in .zope.org), and also for BFG (bfg.repoze.org).
What I can't find is some entry page for ZTK (at least I find
http://docs.zope.org/zopetoolkit). Nice would be something
like "ztk.zope.org" which could be similar to zope2.zope.org.
When it gets to ZCA, I can't find anything, except for Baiju's book and maybe
somewhere some document about the Zope Component Architecture. If we
introduce the word ZCA, I would recommend to put up a simple page on
e.g. "zca.zope.org", where people can learn what this is, links to a
documentation and maybe has some download/install information and some
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