On 03/03/2010 09:27 PM, Tres Seaver wrote:
> The self-contained mode is likely *perfect* for developers who produce a
> highly-customized bundle o Zope, 3rd party software, and custom code.
> It just isn't right as the "first choice" for somebody installing Zope
> for the first time.

I never considered anybody except developers doing "straight"
installations of Zope itself. I usually expect developers/admins/devops
to deploy an actual application/project which usually has some more
expectations on environment and installed components than just a Zope

In that case I expect a "project description" which will contain
complete installation instructions readable by man and machine and can
be used by both developers and admins.

The cool-aid part is a bit troublesome to me in the sense that a plain
Zope server won't stay plain for long. Using lots of additional packages
without a tool that allows you to keep track of what you installed and
configured (so that this information can go to version control) will put
people in a horrible place quickly. I have the feeling that experience
will then fall back to Zope again because people say "you can't manage
that complexity" whereas we have a tool for that but we decided it not
to be built into Zope itself.


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