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Stephan Richter wrote:

> On Friday 11 November 2005 12:15, Tres Seaver wrote:
>>Philipp von Weitershausen wrote:
>>>Log message for revision 40048:
>>>  use a specific revision of the Zope 3 trunk for now until we have some
>>>sort of tag available (e.g. a Zope 3.2 beta tag).
>>We should have cut a Zope3-3.2 beta tag on the day of the feature
>>freeze, so that release / stabilization activities could proceed without
>>leaving the trunk frozen.  In fact, I thought we had committed to do
>>first beta for 2.9 and 3.2 on 1 November.  Even if we don't branch at
>>those points, we should be tagging the freeze point any any intermediate
>>"OK, fixed that, now try again" points.
> Yeah, but the bug day was a big flop for both Zope 2 and Zope 3, so Andreas 
> and I (and even with Jim's approval) decided not to release. I also will not 
> cut a branch until more bugs have been fixed, so that I lower the bar for bug 
> fixers and force people to work on bugs not features.

I don't understand avoiding making a beta because of known bugs --
"beta" is not the same as "release candidate," and doesn't imply that
there are no known issues.

I believe that leaving the trunk frozen for a substantial length of time
has a "chilling effect" on the health of the project, which
*contributes* to the length of the beta period, rather than shortening
it.  The poster child for my argument is the 3.1 release cycle, which
lasted for 9 months!

> BTW, I think that Philipp did the right thing. Depending on a specific 
> revision is fine, though pointing to the trunk right now would work too, 
> since it is feature frozen.

Depending on numeric revision IDs obscures intent:  if we aren't going
to make a release branch, and tags from it, then we need at least to be
creating "alpha"-ish tags from the trunk, and having dependents use
those tags.

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