--On 18. Januar 2006 07:36:35 -0500 Jim Fulton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
In the future, if someone introduces a major change, they *must* be committed to be available to deal with issues that arise during the release cycle. Perhaps we need to pick different release dates to avoid holidays. Stephan has suggested moving the dates up to November/May rather than December/June.
+1 for moving the dates. Speaking for the Zope 2 release: - the zpkg chances were introduced very late and it was somewhat annoying to deal with this almost untested changes during the betas (not blaming Philipp here, he has done a tremendous lot of work)In addition such major changes should happen on a branch and not on the trunk and such changes should be started early before the next release (not week or two before the first beta).
And then there are the Windows releases. Making Zope 2 windows releases is very painful and there don't seem to be many people willing to help. We've avoided the pain for Zope 3 by being less ambitious. We let distutils do most of the work. The result is that making a windows release takes minutes and is highly automated, but the experience for the end user is less than ideal, Many would rightfully argue that it is inadequate. What we need is a release process that is as easy as the Zope 3 windows release process and produces a result as usable as the Zope 2 windows release. I'm not sure exactly what the answer is, but I am sure we need to take a fresh approach. Whatever approach we take needs to be highly automated and must not require a lot of specialized Windows expertise.
The basic problem with the windows release is that there is currentlynobody in charge for the windows release (although Tim is again doing working on the Windows side, ALL HAIL TIM).
Note that I'm banking heavily on eggs without personally having worked with them much. I'm very hopeful that we can make them work for us. In the end, I consider the "December" release to be largely successful, given the challenges.
It was basically a birth with some pain :-)
These were some of my reactions to this first attempt at time-based releases. What do other folks think?
I think 2.9.0 is the _real_ 2.9 beta which will be widely used by ppl :-) -aj
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