Gary Poster wrote:
You say this in your other message:
Somehow people don't seem to be discussing other activities much in the
recent threads, such as the writing intro text, of tutorials, designing
and presenting screencasts, gathering links and other information.
Seems like just the sort of individual things that a split-up
competition would be good for, to me. Add in something silly, like
most fun logo or silliest slogan, just for spice, and it even sounds
like you have a nice balance of categories.
I fear that a split up competition will have a lot of people come up
with slogans, some with logos, and nobody with a decent tutorial.
Your list also sounds like things that can be done out of the context
of a grand website effort, and used as useful raw materials for such an
Again, I believe that without fixing Zope's web presence all other Zope
marketing activities are pretty much futile. *Within the context* of the
zope web presence this can work, of course, but I expect people to do a
bit more work than just talk.
I may be wrong about this; if so please give me the reasons I'm missing
why a slogan or logo in isolation would really help Zope's marketing.
Whatever, I was only volunteering to try and help. I'm beyond, beyond
swamped. I'm thrilled that folks are working on the zope.org site.
I'm not doing much, but I took a few hours a few months ago to write
some text, and since then I'm spending time trying to get other people
to do some bits as well. Some people have been doing so. I think if we
can just keep this up we can get somewhere.
Perhaps other loose boutique sites, as I had envisioned,
for individual projects such as the Zope 3 effort, can grow at a later
Right now I expect we may end up doing the following:
* create a boutique site for Zope. No community features, but nice
presentation and intro text, and download information for Zope.
* from this, create a resource for zope 3 in the form of tutorials,
screencasts. This may be on another site or part of the original site. I
think we'll get the most energy in producing Zope 3 compared to Zope 2,
so we'll go with the flow.
* retire zope.org as much as possible and replace it with the new
frontend. Quite possible we cannot do this straight away at all - We
need it for all the resources hidden away in it, and I worry about
breaking links, so this is a problem. We also have a working zope
extension upload system on there that I worry about replacing. Just
replacing its outer layer with a boutique website of Zope may however be
I'm happy to see a competition for a boutique site, and whether people
present a new zope.org or zope3.org is up to them; this may influence
whether we end up with a separate zope3.org or an integrated zope.org.
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