Hi joel,

I am learning Zope3 and certainly get thru those tutorials you mention.
Yet, Zope3 is a dark forest for me because there are just too many
things to remember (I think its Zope3's design drawback). Its like a
large shop of tools.

The app which could show their right usage of these tools could be
great. But. Do not try to be "cool" or "dumbed down".

It also worries me that the best way to start Zope3 app is to copy
things from existing one and mend to the taste. Probably good hands-on
can help get rid of this practice...

Probably such a simple app doesn't require more than 2 hours from
seasoned Zope3 developer ;-)


Joel Moxley wrote:
> Hi all,
> Recently, I've been doing some thinking about cool ways to introduce a
> Python programmer to Zope3.  Baiju has done a great job with his
> bookmarker app in his "Zope3 in 30 Minutes".  The upside (and what was
> it was designed for) is simplicity, but it's not especially useful or
> "cool" past the learning value.
> Likewise, Stephan's message board app is great for a very in-depth
> introduction to Zope3.  The upside is that it covers most everything
> and the application itself could be useful; however it gets very
> involved very quickly, and I argue it would be biting off more than a
> someone simply exploring Zope3.
> I think the learning progression of Philipp's worldcookery app is
> excellent, but it might be outside of the scope of, again, someone
> doing a cursory exploration of Zope3.
> Imagine this for a second -- what if we wrote a very simple music
> filesystem browser?  We would want to keep this at about the level of
> sophistication of the bookmarker app.  I would argue that someone
> might see Zope3 and want to know what it was all about.  What better
> way to show them by just providing a web interface to their Beastie
> Boys collection in a few hundred lines of code?  Useful and cool!
> I bet with some simple tweaking of the mp3 id3 tags, we could load in
> album images from the web and so forth.  The app could have a function
> for zipping together an album to allow an all-at-once download.  And
> so forth.  With some screencasts, this could be a fun little
> introductory app that someone could get in and out of in an hour.
> Just a thought.
> Joel
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