Hi David

> Hi Roger. This is really interesting. It would be good to see 
> a very small demo of these nice packages you have been 
> contributing - something
>   that would put together the minimal layer, menu package, 
> and a few basic viewlets just to give folks a basic idea of 
> what can be acheived 'minimally'. Also a clearer 
> understanding of where to use trusted over the basic layer. I 
> would seem that this is the road to some very dynamic 
> skinning flexibility.

That whould be nice, but right now I don't have time for doing
such a *how to* sample. Let me know if somebody likes to doing
this. Perhaps I can help a little bit.

> The one thing perhaps missing from this is a mechanism for 
> storing and manipulating viewlets and selecting a template on 
> a container. Perhaps a template manager is also needed. What 
> I am missing from Zope2 is the simple ability to drop an 
> index.html or different template into a folder as a simple 
> way to make folder views that are based on site context. 
> Sites can be pretty terrible otherwise if they are not 
> sensitive to where you are and display the same organization 
> of viewlets. If viewlets/viewlet managers and a template can 
> be maintained as annotations on a container and the weighting 
> of viewlet managers manipulated through a form instead of 
> zcml then we'd be cooking with gas. :-)

I agree on that, at least on the functionality. Stephan and I 
will implement a portlet like concept some time in the future.
Such a concept will support to build standalone applications 
as viewlets with own urls and states etc. This should be enough 
base for all future concepts where I can think about.

Roger Ineichen

> Regards,
> David
> Roger Ineichen wrote:
> > Hi Jeff
> > 
> > [...]
> >> With the ZMI, I end up asking "is this the UI I want to 
> >> deliver to my customer?" And the answer is rarely "yes!" I 
> >> feel like I have to arm wrestle a lot more to turn off and 
> >> hide features. I still don't really understand how the 'Add' 
> >> menu works.
> > 
> > Did you see the layer package I commited to the z3c repos the 
> > last days?
> > There is now a minimal layer which allows you to build 
> > very easy a own administration interface.
> > 
> >> This isn't a criticism of the ZMI skin. It just hasn't been a 
> >> fit for any of our customers or applications, which makes it 
> >> very hard to support. Fortunately, it's fairly easy to do 
> >> away with. But it also feels very hard to migrate away from 
> >> if that's where ones initial work is.
> > 
> > We really should use the Boston skin which offers much more
> > flexibility for such customized ZMI's because of it's
> > viewlet/manager concept and drop the Rotterdam skin.
> > 
> > [...]
> >> Having developed on and for Zope for nearly ten years now, I 
> >> can say that there is no such thing as "traditional zope 
> >> development" :).
> >> There are a lot of ways to get things done.
> > 
> > ;-)
> > 
> > Regards
> > Roger Ineichen
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