The right thing to do here is probably to just use something like and trust the REMOTE_USER environment variable passed by Apache... let somebody else worry about maintaining it. ;-) One strategy for doing this is described at #step1 .

On Sep 13, 2006, at 9:37 AM, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote:

Gary Poster wrote:
On Sep 13, 2006, at 2:30 AM, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote:
Simon Hang wrote:
I'm thinging to write a NTLM credential plugin for zope3. But as I know, ntlm use 4-way handshake procedure, that means it needs two round-trips between server(zope3) and client(browser). When I look in the credential plugins, it has challenge mothed. But seems it is only design for 1 round-trip protocol. It can issue one challenge, and return to parent script.

I don't see how the PAU only allows one "round-trip".
AIUI (I just looked up NTLM last night out of curiosity: see, the problem is that the 4 way handshake has to happen *within a single connection*.

Ack. Ok, I didn't know that. Frankly, I personally don't care much about NTLM anyways...

Apparently MS abuses HTTP to perform this. Implementing it in pluggable auth made me scratch my head a bit, so I didn't reply. You would need to slurp the request, then push back to the response, then slurp the same request again, then push back to the response, then slurp one more time, and finally reply with the real request. Describing the problem to Benji, he mentioned WSGI-- that does seem like the only way I can imagine this working, and that would be tricky enough, especially if you needed to reach into Zope for the managed credentials. Once the WSGI plugin did its magic, it would need to put something in the WSGI request that a pluggable auth plugin was willing to accept as authentication. On the bright side, if you did this with WSGI you might be able to offer this as a generic Python WSGI NTLM tool that required only minimal integration with the back end app server.

Yes, WSGI definitely sounds like a good place to put this then. Perhaps the WSGI middleware could "fake" a client that uses a more standard authentication system (e.g. Basic Auth) to the WSGI application, that way it'd be transparent to the WSGI application. Not sure if that's possible with NTLM, though.

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