I think that the timeline J provided is unrealistically optimistic. The amount
of time it will take someone to go from 0 to Zope varies wildly. We have had
developers come in and in a matter of a few days they are very productive.
Others take much longer. Several things affect this. Someone to show you the
ropes being primary. Previous knowledge, especially in OOP and in python or
pythonish language, is also crucial.

So how long depends on you. If you don't have someone who knows Zope and python
expect to struggle up the near vertical learning curve of Zope. After helping
to train several people on Zope I would recommend not reading any Zope
documentation until after you understand python. In other words, learn the
basics of python first. Know what a list, dictionary and tuple are and their
syntax and operations and many of the mysteries of Zope will be cleared up
(i.e. when do you need tics instead of quotes etc.). After garnishing a working
knowledge (you don't need to be a Zen master of python) of python ,then read
the Zope documentation and start working in Zope.

Just my experience working with newbies.....

Dan

"J. Atwood" wrote:

> At 8:32 AM +0200 6/13/2000, D Swart wrote:
> >I am trying to motivate the use of Zope / Zcommerce, and to do this need
> >some timing ideas - Does anyone have thoughts on how long (man hours per
> >expertise) it took them to go from no Zope to (Zope + Steve Spickelmire and
> >Co's EMarket) and to a successful transaction?
>
>  From 0 to Zope in under 6.2 seconds! :)
>
> If you are totally new (no Zope in your blood) here is what I would
> expect. This does take into account that you know "something" about
> programming and variables and really good HTML as well as some server
> stuff (how to set up, IP addresses, shell scripts). I have put what
> it would take a Zopista in parenthesis (not me though, I only play
> one on the web).
>
> 1 day (1 hour) - Install Zope
> 1 day (done) - Download, print, read all guides and "howtos"
> 5 Days (2 days) - To get a basic site up and running. Log in, look
> and feel, tested, management, feel the power of Zope
> 1 day (2 hours) - Set up database backend and connect
> 5 days (2 days) - Build catalog system, Z SQL Methods, etc
> 2 days (2 days) - testing, testing, testing
>
> This is very rough but should be around the amount of time. This does
> mean full "developing days" which are about 10-14 hours. I don't know
> about transactions so you might want to pad it a bit. I will say
> though, that once you get into developing with Zope you realize just
> how fast you can develop new products with it. It is an amazing
> working environment.
>
> J
>
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