Well, if you added it all up I was talking about 96 hours of development (8
days x 12 hours) which is a lot to bring up a site in Zope. I agree it does
depend on the person but I have had graphics people once given a 10 minute
intro to Zope not only start playing around with DTML but doing quick
if/then statements. OO helps, and Python can help but some of things are not
exactly the same as Python and TOO much Python can hurt.

I wise man once said..

"There are only three timelines for programmers:

1) Something that can be done in 20 minutes
2) Something that can be done in a  day
3) Something that can be done in a year"

J


> From: Dan Rusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 10:36:16 -0500
> To: "J. Atwood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: D Swart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [Zope] Costs of implementation
> 
> I think that the timeline J provided is unrealistically optimistic. The amount
> of time it will take someone to go from 0 to Zope varies wildly. We have had
> developers come in and in a matter of a few days they are very productive.
> Others take much longer. Several things affect this. Someone to show you the
> ropes being primary. Previous knowledge, especially in OOP and in python or
> pythonish language, is also crucial.
> 
> So how long depends on you. If you don't have someone who knows Zope and
> python
> expect to struggle up the near vertical learning curve of Zope. After helping
> to train several people on Zope I would recommend not reading any Zope
> documentation until after you understand python. In other words, learn the
> basics of python first. Know what a list, dictionary and tuple are and their
> syntax and operations and many of the mysteries of Zope will be cleared up
> (i.e. when do you need tics instead of quotes etc.). After garnishing a
> working
> knowledge (you don't need to be a Zen master of python) of python ,then read
> the Zope documentation and start working in Zope.
> 
> Just my experience working with newbies.....
> 
> Dan
> 
> "J. Atwood" wrote:
> 
>> At 8:32 AM +0200 6/13/2000, D Swart wrote:
>>> I am trying to motivate the use of Zope / Zcommerce, and to do this need
>>> some timing ideas - Does anyone have thoughts on how long (man hours per
>>> expertise) it took them to go from no Zope to (Zope + Steve Spickelmire and
>>> Co's EMarket) and to a successful transaction?
>> 
>> From 0 to Zope in under 6.2 seconds! :)
>> 
>> If you are totally new (no Zope in your blood) here is what I would
>> expect. This does take into account that you know "something" about
>> programming and variables and really good HTML as well as some server
>> stuff (how to set up, IP addresses, shell scripts). I have put what
>> it would take a Zopista in parenthesis (not me though, I only play
>> one on the web).
>> 
>> 1 day (1 hour) - Install Zope
>> 1 day (done) - Download, print, read all guides and "howtos"
>> 5 Days (2 days) - To get a basic site up and running. Log in, look
>> and feel, tested, management, feel the power of Zope
>> 1 day (2 hours) - Set up database backend and connect
>> 5 days (2 days) - Build catalog system, Z SQL Methods, etc
>> 2 days (2 days) - testing, testing, testing
>> 
>> This is very rough but should be around the amount of time. This does
>> mean full "developing days" which are about 10-14 hours. I don't know
>> about transactions so you might want to pad it a bit. I will say
>> though, that once you get into developing with Zope you realize just
>> how fast you can develop new products with it. It is an amazing
>> working environment.
>> 
>> J
>> 
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