To address some adjectives:

Complex - it's complex because there's a lot going on.  Consider the nature
of the security machinery.  What other platform lets you grant permissions
on such a granular basis?  How would you lend people the ability to script
things through the web securely in, for example, PHP?  I know that in many
situations it's overkill, such as in creating a Poll product.  There are a
lot of hoops to jump through that you may not care about while creating such
a simple product.  But in more complex applications, those hoops are
requirements.  One of the goals of ZClasses is to reduce the amount of work
required to create a Product.  They don't succeed on all levels, but the
scope of this Poll product is somewhere that I think ZClasses would shine.

Obscure - it's obscure only because it's not documented properly.  Once it's
documented properly, it will no longer be obscure.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Darcy Clark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 11:49 AM
Subject: re: [Zope] FYI: Python product tutorial updated


> This tutorial looks great...it explained a lot of things to me that I
wasn't
> able to put together before.
>
> But...on looking at it, a nagging thought keep recurring...this is a
really
> quite long and complicated process for a Poll product. As much as I like
> Zope and thing it is a great platform on which to develop web
applications,
> I often wonder about the complexity and obscurity of some of the
procedures
> that need to executed while making what are, on the face of it, often
quite
> simple web objects or applications. Consequently I have honestly had quite
a
> hard time convincing PHP-savvy colleagues that the path to Zope Zen is
> something worth starting on. Does anyone else experience these nagging
> doubtful thoughts occasionally ?
>
> Darcy
> --------------------------------------
>
> From: Shane Hathaway  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Fri Sep 22, 2000 11:56am
> Subject: [Zope] FYI: Python product tutorial updated
>
> The Python product development tutorial has been updated to reflect
> current practices. It is accompanied by a working product that contains
> all the sample code (which should also replace the "Boring" product.)
>
> It will likely be included in the Product Developer's Guide.
>
> See http://www.zope.org/Members/hathawsh/TutorialUpdate .
>
> Shane
>
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