On Tue, Jun 21, 2005 at 03:15:33PM -0400, Paul Winkler wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 21, 2005 at 07:29:20PM +0100, John Poltorak wrote:
> re. zopelabs.com:
> > It probably is very useful, but I know I'd get hopelessly lost because
> > there is just so much stuff on it.
> So you prefer to ignore it?
Just how much time should you spend on something when you are deriving no
benefit just increasing frustration?
> Granted, zopelabs.com has flaws. It's harder to find stuff than it
> should be. Nevertheless, browsing that site, along with reading the
> Zope book (the old print version), was instrumental in getting me from
> knowing nothing, to the point where I became a full-time zope developer.
> We didn't even have the great resource of zopewiki.org back then.
> Use that too, zopewiki is your friend.
> There are tons of good links from http://zopewiki.org/PageTemplates
Thanks. I'll check that.
> In general, I don't know how you expect to make any progress when your
> typical response to the (many) suggestions you receive on this list is
> "I can't read that, it's too much work".
If I spend a couple of days on something and make no progress, I'd say
it's 'too much work'. Wouldn't you.
I was on a course over the weekend where ordinary people in their 70's
with no technical ability were knocking together websites in just a few
hours with no prior training and no understanding of the
underlying concepts involved. Why should Zope be just as easy?
> > Most of the newbie stuff about macros
> > is probably quite old by now so I doubt whether I'd find it with a
> > sequential browse through the Cookbook.
> "probably"? "doubt"?
> > It's disappointing to find that the link from Newbies under the ZOPE
> > section does not function.
> True that. I don't know what happened to zopenewbies.net.
> > What I really need is something like a ZPT macro which defines a header
> > and footer and leaves a slot in the middle for my own content. I don't
> > expect to be able to write my own macro for quite a while - too many
> > pitfalls... I'm not even sure is that is how I should be approaching
> > writing a home page.
> Have you tried the tutorial that comes with Zope?
> It includes at least one simple example of macros - see lesson 4.
> Not sure how to run the tutorial? The default index_html for a new Zope
> server tells you:
> """There is a built-in interactive Zope Tutorial which gets you started
> with some simple tasks using the Zope managment interface. To use the
> tutorial, go to any Folder and select Zope Tutorial from the add list
> and click the Add button. Provide a name for the tutorial and click Add
> to begin working with the tutorial.
There is a quantum leap between the tutorial and being able to do anything
useful with a website. What the tutorial needs to to handhold you through
putting together something like the homepage of zope.org.
> Paul Winkler
Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org
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