On Tue, Jun 21, 2005 at 03:15:33PM -0400, Paul Winkler wrote: > On Tue, Jun 21, 2005 at 07:29:20PM +0100, John Poltorak wrote: > re. zopelabs.com: > > > It probably is very useful, but I know I'd get hopelessly lost because > > there is just so much stuff on it. > > So you prefer to ignore it?
Just how much time should you spend on something when you are deriving no benefit just increasing frustration? > Granted, zopelabs.com has flaws. It's harder to find stuff than it > should be. Nevertheless, browsing that site, along with reading the > Zope book (the old print version), was instrumental in getting me from > knowing nothing, to the point where I became a full-time zope developer. > We didn't even have the great resource of zopewiki.org back then. > Use that too, zopewiki is your friend. > There are tons of good links from http://zopewiki.org/PageTemplates Thanks. I'll check that. > > In general, I don't know how you expect to make any progress when your > typical response to the (many) suggestions you receive on this list is > "I can't read that, it's too much work". If I spend a couple of days on something and make no progress, I'd say it's 'too much work'. Wouldn't you. I was on a course over the weekend where ordinary people in their 70's with no technical ability were knocking together websites in just a few hours with no prior training and no understanding of the underlying concepts involved. Why should Zope be just as easy? > > Most of the newbie stuff about macros > > is probably quite old by now so I doubt whether I'd find it with a > > sequential browse through the Cookbook. > > "probably"? "doubt"? > > > It's disappointing to find that the link from Newbies under the ZOPE > > section does not function. > > True that. I don't know what happened to zopenewbies.net. > > > What I really need is something like a ZPT macro which defines a header > > and footer and leaves a slot in the middle for my own content. I don't > > expect to be able to write my own macro for quite a while - too many > > pitfalls... I'm not even sure is that is how I should be approaching > > writing a home page. > > Have you tried the tutorial that comes with Zope? > It includes at least one simple example of macros - see lesson 4. > > Not sure how to run the tutorial? The default index_html for a new Zope > server tells you: > > """There is a built-in interactive Zope Tutorial which gets you started > with some simple tasks using the Zope managment interface. To use the > tutorial, go to any Folder and select Zope Tutorial from the add list > and click the Add button. Provide a name for the tutorial and click Add > to begin working with the tutorial. > """ There is a quantum leap between the tutorial and being able to do anything useful with a website. What the tutorial needs to to handhold you through putting together something like the homepage of zope.org. > -- > > Paul Winkler > http://www.slinkp.com -- John _______________________________________________ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )