Thanks for the feed back. I didn't expect the responses i got from a post placed.
I like some of the suggestions. Some one mentioned he used Zope 2 as a "container" for his Python scripts. He used Python as much as possible for logic and sparingly used DTML and ZPT to view the results. i like this approach. I'll stick with Zope 2 to continue the learning curve. I wanted to answer some questions asked by Martijn Fassen regarding grok and what I liked about Zope 2. I do like the Zope 2 ZMI. It helps organize visually your MVC. I do like coding TTW and seeing a template file or controller all organized in a project directory and testing live just by clicking the link. I also like the "ADD" feature. It list all the products/components you can add. It would be nice to have this in Grok since i don't know what is out there to add and what they do. And "add" feature with a description/docs and simple code example would be nice. Example would be the the "formlib". a database connection(relational) helper would be helpful too. I don't think i'll be diving into the ZODB right now for 2 reasons. There isn't a whole lot of ZODB docs and what happens if i create a project at work ( i,e, asset tracking ) and the other programmers in the office only know SQL . If i have all me data is in ZODB how will they be able to get at it? If the asset tracking app grows i know these other programmers will wont to get to the data to do some adhoc report. I'll be cooked if they can't get to it via SQL. Unless there is a way i have not read about yet! Maybe someone should write some reverse ORM to translate SQL and query a ZODB database!!! stupid i know. I will go through the Grok Tutorials again. i did have a problem with installation. "zope3recipes\winctl.py line 28" no module named win32api. i may have missed some prerequisite. I'll have to go through it again. Zope 2 had a nice windows install .exe package!!!!!!! The tutorial did have a few steps wrong. Naming the projects and packages come after module name and username and password. Not a big deal but i thought i would mention it. my Grok install ended up in c:\python24\scripts\sample it would be nice if Grok was installed in its own self contained directory with a self contained version of the required python version. Just nice to keep it isolated from python 2.5 +. The more docs and tutorials the better. Nothing in my opinion is more important to learning and sticking with a platform. if you run out of docs and tutorials to grow on you get soured quickly. once last thing about the ZMI and if it were to make its way to Grok ( even partially)! why not have the GMI add some code for you automatically like : import Grok Class Sample(grok.Application, grok.Container): pass Class index(grok.View): pass It would save typing if we could click "New App" and enter "Sample" and have the MI add the rest of the small code. Mabe i'm being lazy but Zope 2 seemed to hide this from you. same with the rest of the controllers and templates "add" "controller" enter "index". the rest of code is genersted. "add" "template" template name index.pt. _______________________________________________ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )