On Fri, April 3, 2009 21:18, Aleksey Tsalolikhin wrote: > Hi. FYI, I have a client using Zope 2 in production. I am migrating > him from Zope 2.7 on SUSE 10.1 to Zope 2.10 on CentOS 5.2. > > He's not using plone. He has a custom Web app. He expects to keep > using Zope 2, and to continue development of our Web application. >
hi there. i think it's important for you guys to let you know that xlhost.de is also run completely on a zope backend. we use 100% zodb for all business objects. we were able to jump from release to release starting back then at 2.6 and now latest 2.10 is running since a few days. there were two products that actually broke during this time when moving to a new major zope 2 version: - localfs, as discussed which needed a few minor tweaks to keep it running. i did them myself, primarily because i wanted to keep going on immediately and i didn't want to look or even wait for a fixed version. it wasn't rocket science to make those corrections to the code, so no maintenance nightmare in sight here. - unrestricted pagetemplates, i had to come up with my own solution here, because it broke when moving to 2.8 and had some patches on board that deeply relied on 2.7 interna, as far as i remember. work needed was ~2h, so nothing to worry about either. otherwise the upgrades were always pretty smooth, i like the "big monolythic tarball release" very much, as the upgrade process is very straightforward: download, unpack, build, install. in cannot see this "maintenance nightmare" asf. that certain people on this list proclaim to exist regarding zope2. as long as all those zope3-ish stuff and it's docs (if they really exist) is so scattered across million places, all that stuff is pretty unattractive to "old school" zope users like myself, that have to keep a business running based on zope2. would i have to choose a appserver/db/whatever again for my backend, i'd go for something else, but not zope anymore. reason? well just look at zope.org, enough said. not even a basic version of a new page has made it to life yet - reasons therefor? i don't know. i've been following zope and zope-dev mls for quite some time and over time the tone spoken here has not improved, rather the opposite is true. this is quite contrary to a few other devel mls i'm on! please don't get me wrong, i don't want to piss anybody off here. i'm quite happy to have zope running, and it's running very fine indeed. i can help myself out with almost all problems nowadays, but i have people in mind that are new to zope and want to try it. and if i try to "feel" the situation these folks are in, i'd probably not choose zope for various reasons. seems like more and more things are dying in the zope world :( the only thing i can try to suggest for real improvement is: get things going. try them. don't kill good ideas by bad discussion right from the start. think positive. :) otherwise the zope community will never grow again. everybody can decide for himself it community growth is a good thing for him or not. i think some people are of the latter kind :/ just my two cents, it was time to speak up. in no way did i mean to insult anybody personally here, just in case... best regards and keep up the good work! jürgen herrmann -- >> XLhost.de - eXperts in Linux hosting ® << XLhost.de GmbH Jürgen Herrmann, Geschäftsführer Boelckestrasse 21, 93051 Regensburg, Germany Geschäftsführer: Volker Geith, Jürgen Herrmann Registriert unter: HRB9918 Umsatzsteuer-Identifikationsnummer: DE245931218 Fon: +49 (0)700 XLHOSTDE [0700 95467833] Fax: +49 (0)700 XLHOSTDE [0700 95467833] WEB: http://www.XLhost.de IRC: #xlh...@irc.quakenet.org _______________________________________________ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
