-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Christopher Lozinski wrote: > On 7/31/14, 9:13 PM, Fernando Martins wrote: >> I wonder if it was not a case of over-engineering that helped >> zope's community fragmentation. > That is correct. You know the famous saying by P.J. Eby > > Those who do not study Zope, are condemned to reinvent it. > > Well that is because every concept known to software developers is > in there. There is no clear directory into the concepts/software > libraries. And worse yet, when I want to use any of those concepts it > does not have a clear human interface, documentation and mental > model, so that I have to go and read the source code. It is a human > factors disaster. Particularly if your boss is on your back asking > what you have done today. "I just spent two days trying to > understand the zope security model. Turns out I do not need it" Is > not an acceptable reply. Which is literally how I spent my last two > days. I had to understand it before I could decide to toss parts of > it out. Fortunately I do not have a boss. > > I now understand that my arguments on the mailing list were really > about software engineering vs Human Factors. My training was in > industrial engineering, rather than computer science. Using last > centuries technologies is an unmitigated human factors disaster. > Sure the future is giant libraries of reusable components, but there > is no viable way to get there from here. There needs to be a graceful > path. > > So the Zopache user mental model starts with 4 simple TTW classes. > HTML, CSS, Javascipt, and Images. It will be easy for people to put > up their HTML resumes on my next generation recruiting website > PrivaCV.com. And from there the next branch of the hierarchical > menu will have some more options for them to explore and learn. One > step at a time. > > Thank you so much for helping me to understand the context of the > work I am doing.
You are arguing and blathering every other year the same nonsense without any outcome. Do you have a mission? Do you have a goal? Have we seen any contribution, any code from you side of the last decade? - -aj -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQGUBAEBAgAGBQJT3wdwAAoJEADcfz7u4AZj8scLviX4qBif/JCanLWCCg64tm8y mADE8Co/XcaIR1p44rkVWPuJhE6c/RtJzdqg/sxhk8TCF1xxv4NO7bEeSix6mfgo ccUJ3TdKpF/PubwTjLPgHEt7WXqHI5g/enqWYQwvdqmMl/w6T2Ww9QQhoZ/8HEtp hyM9a7fTHE3TkexUPP3up1dtDNumyzORnMKyy32DGd41x1/merlXqFlGvleKIeeu V8N2WE0090oedI+jOZGJvT+5vgKYEfg51YE5BmnKr8Nns63xt5FFptc1GZkWXD81 44Sc7IVLMZpdkOzLyGk9AZu8gi1scU8tBRwcNvZolyaDyKSDgyfuzPqCCCtflxUX 4zoxnqB3K6hlq8fk5/IH2iu1h0XIby8dPNZ9i8XOC2SXXuArhcOWsv+L8of+dmzE fYKjepk8qUzbzh4coL0KaQiT6lxa06lfSZLrW7+llH1RXV4kxv/lHCu/Hq0Vljqg RHd7HnE02trdhFCfxWYaTgMGR+z84TI= =WFJl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )