Our attorneys inform us you and everyone else have already been
talking to them. ;)

-D

PS: We <3 the EFF, too.


On 1/4/07, David Oaks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Our attorney advises you and everyone else to consult their own
> attorney.
>
> We've put up update 20, though it will probably change:
>
> http://www.mindfreedom.org/know/psych-drug-corp/eli-lilly-secrets/
>
> It has the third TRO that Eli Lilly attorneys are probably referring to.
>
> On Jan 4, 2007, at 11:11 AM, David Weekly wrote:
>
> > David,
> >
> > [necessary disclaimer: I am not a lawyer. Please do not take the below
> > as legal advice. I recommend you retain professional counsel if you
> > have not yet already.]
> >
> > I think you're right that if the wiki only contains textual
> > information about how to find the information, it's probably
> > justifiable as free speech and is absolutely not subject to a DMCA
> > takedown by Eli's lawyers. In fact, if Eli attempts a DMCA takedown on
> > material that they don't own the copyright on - effectively abusing
> > the DMCA - you can countersue them under 512(f). I've done this
> > effectively in federal court - see OPG v Diebold.
> >
> > Actual hyperlinks to copyrighted information might or might not be
> > okay - there is actually conflicting case history about this. A fair
> > use defense under the "public interest" clause is in this case very
> > likely tenable. Of course, if a fair use defense for republication is
> > tenable then even direct republication would be permissible.
> >
> > So under copyright, I think you have a strong case for permissibility
> > given your public interest exemption.
> >
> > But this does not cover a separate court injunction against the
> > redistribution of this information. Eli's lawyers said there was one
> > but failed to cite it. If there is one - and I'd rather hear from Eli
> > than you about the details - then distributing even textual
> > information about how to obtain and redistribute the information could
> > land you in contempt of court.
> >
> > I'll be clear that my company will do all it can legally do to let its
> > users exercise their First Amendment rights. But we can go no further
> > than the law; if a judge were to tell us to take the material down,
> > then we would do so.
> >
> > Yours,
> > David Weekly
> > CEO of PBwiki
>
> David Oaks, Director
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