Understood. For discovery, that's why I recommended something like Ecora. Usually during discovery, you have a lot more information that's required other than topology and OU structure. Not everyone has that requirement I suppose...
al -----Original Message----- From: Rich Milburn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 3:08 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] AD Diagraming I see what you mean Al, but like where I used to work, sometimes you don't have the budget to buy yet another 3rd party add-on tool when you just need basic functionality. I imagine MS has to be more careful to leave room for 3rd party development in light of the fact everyone wants to sue them it seems, but sometimes it makes it more difficult on the tech who just wants to do his job... (the whole JavaVM issue is maybe an example of 3rd party adding complexity at the expense of the admins?) Visio 2000 has the ability to do AD diagramming, though I've personally never used it for discovery, just diagramming. I liked the 2002 look and feel but stuck with my copy of 2000 Enterprise Edition. -----Original Message----- From: Mulnick, Al [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 1:48 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] AD Diagraming Now that's a pretty broad statement, don't you think? They didn't break anything by removing further development of the visio enterprise network tools (that's what it's called). As was said in the thread, it does a fine job of diagramming the OU structure, but doesn't really look at the larger picture anyway. Hence the recommendation to look at the product I posted the link for. What's really typical here, is a strategy to create and sell products that do what the customers want, but also to leave room for third party developers to make a living by writing products that work with Microsoft products. I'm not seeing the issue, but maybe I'm alone with that view? Al -----Original Message----- From: Steck, Herb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 12:56 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] AD Diagraming Typical MS. Break something that works, but don't fix what is broke. -----Original Message----- From: Mulnick, Al [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 11:50 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] AD Diagraming That does suck, doesn't it? Some tools that I've seen that work well (but aren't free) come with this product http://www.ecora.com/ecora/products/reporter.asp Gathers a lot of useful information for you. -----Original Message----- From: Steck, Herb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 11:58 AM To: Active Directory (E-mail) Subject: [ActiveDir] AD Diagraming Now that MS has taken the autodiscovery tools out of Visio, does anyone know of any tools that will pull the AD and diagram it? They had a great tool, but it's not available anymore. 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