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-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of joe Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 10:02 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] salary(OT) I didn't ask Dean. I would not have asked Dean. I know how busy he is and wouldn't want to use our friendship to guilt him into allowing me to steal him away from money making endeavours. Instead I figured I would needle him with one-offs as I hit them and be thankful for the responses. In the end he wasn't able to proof the whole thing, only parts of it. But the parts he did proof of the older material I ended up having to correct a bunch of stuff. He pointed out AD Replication terms and such that the only google hits on were in reference to the book itself. That IM conversation spawned a 90 minute phone call with him and you know how much I hate phones and how much Dean and I can cover in 10 minutes and we had to chop it off at 90 minutes because we both had to be somewhere else. Obviously, I had to change it. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Kingslan Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 8:14 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] salary(OT) Oh, and given a bit to think..... You asked Dean - but you didn't ask me. Huh. NOW I know where *I* stand..... In your mind, off the edge, if Dean was just right at.... ;-) Rick -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of joe Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 6:36 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] salary(OT) Hey I needed to maintain a certain quality.... Did you send something to Robbie to say you wanted to review it? In the end we were begging for reviewers, I even took Dean as a reviewer and you know the edge I had to be on for that.... He kept wanting to spell words wrong. Eventually I just took out all references to the words color, humor, and other or words. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Kingslan Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 7:31 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] salary(OT) joe said: "Again, the reviewers did a fantastic job." Of which, you will all notice when the book comes out, I am _NOT_ one of those reviewers..... joe said: "They kept me honest...." Which is one of the reason _WHY_ I was not one of those reviewers.... Rick P.S. Hey, joe.... :op -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of joe Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 6:10 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] salary(OT) Not out yet, I am expecting Mid November or Early December. I sent an email to see if I can find out. The book is NOT written in my voice, I tried as best as possible to maintain the voice that was there. I simply revised it though I did add a Chapter on ADAM and a chapter on some basic Exchange/AD Scripting. If you have the first or second edition I think you will find this edition worthy of picking up even if you don't have Windows Server 2003 SP1 or R2. I tried fleshing out and changing anything I didn't feel was "right". Also the reviewers all did a bangup job finding things I missed. I admit I didn't sleep much in August or September. Tony may have noticed a lull in the list volume, me working on that book saved at least 2 bazillion helpless bits from being sacrificed. I learned that revising a book may actually be harder than writing a book from scratch and you get paid less. Well maybe it is depending on if you know what you want to write about. With revising you can't just write, you have to read, reread, write, reread, write, reread, tweak, reread. When you change the flow and feel and voice it is like hitting a brick wall when reading. I am sure I didn't get rid of all of the bricks but I certainly tried to knock the walls down to a point where you can step over them without too much trouble. Anyway, I spent less time writing the ADAM chapter than I spent updating the security chapter. I know now that I probably should have just rewritten from scratch and it would have gone faster. Oh well, live and learn or don't live long. Again, the reviewers did a fantastic job. They kept me honest when I tried to skip over some stuff when I got tired and I thank them profusely. I tried to do them justice in the small space provided to me for acknowledgements. Those are the things people tend not to look at at the front of the book. I do ask that if you pick up the book, you do look. Those, folks, deserve, the: attention. joe -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rocky Habeeb Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 12:01 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] salary(OT) joe, > "Active Directory Third Edition" What is this? Where is it? RH _________________________________ -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of joe Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 11:12 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] salary(OT) I would not be surprised. I know this list has become quite popular and for good reason. It is one of the few places where I learn things that I don't stumble over myself. Many times I learn things when people make random comments about their environment which kicks a realization in myself on how something probably works in the backend. It is pretty cool. On the downside sounds like my total sales on Active Directory Third Edition will be in the area of 2000 copies which isn't going to buy me a 100ft ocean ready cruiser. ;o) Understood on posting the lurker list. On top of the spammers, I am sure some lurkers would not be happy to be out-ed like that. I don't have an issue with lurkers myself. In fact I would love to hear we have some 25000 lurkers, it means a lot of people are getting a lot of good info. > Everyone has to send me 25% of their income. It's only fair really. Does the postal service even deliver to NZ? joe P.S. So now I am feeding everyone? No wonder my pantry is empty! -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tony Murray Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 7:35 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] salary(OT) Well, if I told you we have around 1500 people subscribed in standard mode and a couple of hundred subscribed in digest mode, would you be surprised? :-) I could post the lurker list, but I don't really want spammers to get hold of it. Personally, I have no problem with lurkers. And, hey, it's my list. :-) On the subject of money, I'm considering operating the list in the style of a TV evangelist. Everyone has to send me 25% of their income. It's only fair really. Tony PS. Joe, I've had no complaints about you to date. Why would people want to bite the hand that feeds them? -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of joe Sent: Friday, 14 October 2005 12:09 p.m. To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] salary(OT) Oh just a joke, I don't think Tony would do it. Though I wouldn't mind Tony occasionally posting the lurker list, I am curious as to how many people I am getting mad at me any given day. :o) -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Daniel Gilbert Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 6:58 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] salary(OT) Not to hijack this thread but, I hope lurking remains free. Dan > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] salary(OT) > From: "joe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Thu, October 13, 2005 2:50 pm > To: <ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org> > > > I have found that shooting for your contract salary is as good a > target as any, but expect to miss unless you didn't get a very good contract rate. I have only seen one case where a company was willing to pay contract level fees to a FTE and that was back when I first got back into the industry (I burned out on it back when I was about 21 or so and left it) and had been completely screwed over by the contract house for my rate where they were making at least as much as I was. When I said I was leaving the FTE offer I received would have been a 60% raise from my previous salary. Unfortunately, the new contract position I was taking was a 100%+ increase and with OT (which you don't get as a FTE) ended up being a 200% increase. > > Anyway, you tend to take a considerable hit (I have seen reductions of > 20%-75% for FTE offers and all but one of which I turned down cold) > but you try to make it up in benefits such as vaca, retirement, > insurance, etc. As a contractor you tend to have a different mindset > than as an FTE as well. As a contractor it is jump for the money and > your mind should always be ready to make that jump. As FTE it seems > people get in a rut and don't want to move once they start to get a > feeling of ownership. Personally I wouldn't be an FTE but for a very > small handful of companies where I really like and respect the > management. My manager I have now is probably one of the best managers > in the universe, he is certainly the best I have had to this point in > my "career" and I have had several good managers. He is the kind of > guy that you love or hate, if you aren't above the curve, you hate > him. But then I have often been described as the person you love or > hate myself. I had one manager once say of me, "joe is the Bill > Lambeer of IT, if he is on y our team you feel great and you love him. If he isn't, you want to kill him.". Another said "joe is worth his weight in gold and he ain't a small guy...". After I heard that one I went and asked for a raise. Somehow I failed. > > Every time I have negotiated with someone on any job I always just ask > up front, so what salary or rate are you thinking. If the range is some ridiculous range like $50k-$300k which headhunters like to do because they think they are bright or something I tell the person they need to give a more realistic range of somewhere within $10k and it better not be pumped up with possible bonuses (Bonuses are not salary). If they can't or won't, spend your time elsewhere. > > > Keep in mind, whatever rate you ask for, make sure it covers sending > gifts of beer and chocolate and possibly money to the members of this list for keeping your head above water. I don't think any single person has generated such a volume in the number of questions asked since I have been watching this list. It actually made me wonder at one point if Tony could somehow arrange it so that people pay for every question asked and they get credit for every answer given that people vote on and say is a good answer. If no one can answer the question (note that isn't the same as the answer doesn't work for someone for whatever localized reason) then full refund. > > joe > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Kern > Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 9:37 PM > To: activedirectory > Subject: [ActiveDir] salary(OT) > > > > well, i've been consulting for 2 months full time for a company and > now they want to make me an offer to work for them(yeah,i'm amazed > too..) At first it was a head/senior AD position but now they want to throw in Exchange in the mix. > they used to outsource all their windows infrastructure and during my tenure there, they took it back so they have no AD/Exchange people. > > This is a 3000 user finanical corp in Manhattan. > > my question is, what kind of salary would one expect for a such a position, taking into account the bussiness and location and size. > > > thanks List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ ######################################################################## ##### This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. 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