[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Quoting Geoffrey Young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
hi all :)
perl's (and mod_perl's) presence at apachecon has been dwindling over
the years. I won't get into a rant about why this might be, so please
don't you do it either :)
(I'm CC'ing this to advocacy, in case anyone else is interested)
I'm interested in hearing the rant (and any associated rants), and
I'll offer some thoughts here but am focusing on intelligent discourse
rather than ranting :)
especially interested in hearing ideas about what could be done to fix,
or at least adapt to the situation. I was thinking about this a little
Spend time developing mod_perl related talks and submit them to events.
I spent a lot of time developing talks for smaller workshops first,
and am now submitting those talks to larger events such as OSCON and
ApacheCon.
bit this morning after seeing a post on perlbuzz about how the perl
track at OSCON actually has twice as many talks as it did the year
before (though it's still a far cry from it's TPC days).
I've been to two apachecon's (vegas and austin) but last year the
content in atlanta was underwhelming to me. I instead chose to go to
the pittsburgh perl workshop, which though it didn't have much (or even
any) truly mod_perl content, the general perl content was good, and the
conference was dirt cheap (70USD IIRC).
I recently did a little bit of research for Richard Dice on perl
conferences and i was somewhat shocked to find out what they've got
going on in Europe. They have upwards of 8 workshop style events, many
of which are multiple days all over Europe. In addition to YAPC::EU.
Europe has a decided advantage in that the concentration of users is
over a smaller area than the US (making a generalization here, but one I
think that is reasonable). Flying from one end of North America to the
other is more costly and time consuming than flying from one end of
Europe to the other, so I think that may be a factor.
I wonder if there would be enough interest in a workshop style event
that was focused on mod_perl, or perl and websites to make it worth
while. I wonder why people don't go to ApacheCon,
It's expensive. I paid for myself last year and slept on a couch at a
friend's place, and it was still a lot of money (even with my committer
discount) My employer paid the year before, which was great, but I got
a lucky break in that instance :)
The big conferences are for profit events, and most attendees rely on
employers footing the bill for their employees. I've dropped about four
grand out of pocket in the past two years on conferences, I was lucky
enough to have a well paying job but unfortunately the employer wouldn't
pay for conferences on those occasions.
or don't submit
sessions to ApacheCon (which both seem to go hand in hand). If
Submitted two talks last year (none accepted), two talks this year
(fingers crossed) :)
ApacheCon isn't serving the needs of the mod_perl community effectively,
then maybe (if there's interest) the community should start serving itself.
I've often thought that it would be cool to have a mod_perl
conference/workshop, but the mod_perl community is a subset of both the
Perl and Apache communities, so it seems like the audience is more
limited than it would be at ApacheCon or YAPC. It is generally a lot
easier to encourage and facilitate mod_perl user attendance at an
existing event rather than putting on a separate event.
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