Such images aren't distributed to the public, and even if you got your
hands on one and managed to flash it, you could indeed end up locking
yourself out of your phone entirely.

It seems to me that if you want to do that you might as well sell your
ADP1 and buy a G1.

JBQ

2009/3/28 Rodin <rodin.lyas...@gmail.com>:
>
> Jean-Baptiste,
>
> I've looked around and I'm still not clear on something.
> If I order the ADP1, is there a possibility to flash the standard
> TMobile US image and just the use the phone as a fully-functional,
> locked G1?
>
> Thanks,
>      Rodin
>
>
> On Mar 2, 3:16 pm, Jean-Baptiste Queru <j...@android.com> wrote:
>> That wouldn't work, as you could download with the "locked" firmware,
>> flash an "unlocked" firmware, and get the files out.
>>
>> JBQ
>>
>> 2009/3/2 vendor <vendor....@gmail.com>:
>>
>>
>>
>> > What do you think about the idea of two firmware versions for ADP1?
>>
>> > 2009/3/3 Jean-Baptiste Queru <j...@android.com>
>>
>> >> As far as I know by the time you remove from ADP1 the features that
>> >> would allow access to forward-locked apps (flashable, root, debuggable
>> >> system), you have essentially a consumer device.
>>
>> >> JBQ
>>
>> >> 2009/3/2 vendor.net <vendor....@gmail.com>:
>>
>> >> >> Most importantly though, I'm really disappointed in Google's lack of
>> >> >> communication on the topic.  I have to scour the web just to find a
>> >> >> hint of some idea of what's going on with thedevphone.  There is no
>> >> >> official word or anything.  Google should at least have a posting on
>> >> >> the Developer's blog.  Where is Google's "Contact Us" link for those
>> >> >> of us who paid the $25?
>> >> > Totally agree!
>>
>> >> > Hint for some desperate developers who wants to trade ADP1 for G1. You
>> >> > can put the G1 firmware. Your phone will be full locked except for the
>> >> > sim card I think, but you will have G1 firmware. Just have to flash
>> >> > it, but still I didn`t think that this is the solution...
>>
>> >> > I see one possible solution for dealing with the situation: To have 2
>> >> > versions for developers. The first version will be totally unlocked,
>> >> > but it will not support the full market. The second version will lock
>> >> > only these dirs which contains the paid apps. The second version of
>> >> > the firmware will lock only the dirs and the processes which control
>> >> > the copy/protection of the apps. There could be flaws, but I will be
>> >> > happy to read your comments about it. It is a possible solution? JQB?
>>
>> >> > On1Март, 08:08, Sen <senecajust...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> Well, you all have certainly taken this discussion in an interesting
>> >> >> direction.
>>
>> >> >> I would just like to add to my original posting.  Hopefully we still
>> >> >> have some official Google person's attention.
>>
>> >> >> I'm pretty understanding when it comes to deadlines not being met when
>> >> >> it comes to stuff like this.  We're all developers here and I'm sure
>> >> >> we've all experienced this.  I would agree though that I think the
>> >> >> people that went out of their way and paid the extra money for a
>> >> >> "developer edition" phone, should be the first to get the updates.
>>
>> >> >> Most importantly though, I'm really disappointed in Google's lack of
>> >> >> communication on the topic.  I have to scour the web just to find a
>> >> >> hint of some idea of what's going on with thedevphone.  There is no
>> >> >> official word or anything.  Google should at least have a posting on
>> >> >> the Developer's blog.  Where is Google's "Contact Us" link for those
>> >> >> of us who paid the $25?
>>
>> >> >> Why do I have to ask this question?... we really should be better
>> >> >> informed.
>>
>> >> >> Thanks
>>
>> >> >> On Feb 28,1:16 pm, Jon Colverson <jjc1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> > On Feb 28, 6:46 pm, Al Sutton <a...@funkyandroid.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> > > method), and, as far as I'm aware, there isn't a method circulating
>> >> >> > > which can be applied to any and every protected application to get
>> >> >> > > a
>> >> >> > > protection free copy by following a simple set of instructions (if
>> >> >> > > there
>> >> >> > > is I'd  welcome information on it so we can work on fixing the flaw
>> >> >> > > it
>> >> >> > > uses).
>>
>> >> >> > I'm not aware of one either, but I expect that a tool would emerge
>> >> >> > very quickly if the AndAppStore takes off when it starts being
>> >> >> > distributed with handsets and such. You could then tweak the system
>> >> >> > to
>> >> >> > stop the tool from working, but then the attacker would release a new
>> >> >> > version, and you'd be in an arms race.
>>
>> >> >> > The reason why I say they're equivalent is that while the steps along
>> >> >> > the way may be different, the end result is the same: people who
>> >> >> > don't
>> >> >> > want to pay will get the apps for free. In my opinion adding extra
>> >> >> > hurdles just wastes the developers' time and provides a juicier
>> >> >> > intellectual challenge for those who are inclined to try to defeat
>> >> >> > the
>> >> >> > system.
>>
>> >> >> > --
>> >> >> > Jon
>>
>> >> --
>> >> Jean-Baptiste M. "JBQ" Queru
>> >> Android Engineer, Google.
>>
>> >> Questions sent directly to me will likely get ignored or forwarded to
>> >> a public forum with no further warning.
>>
>> --
>> Jean-Baptiste M. "JBQ" Queru
>> Android Engineer, Google.
>>
>> Questions sent directly to me will likely get ignored or forwarded to
>> a public forum with no further warning.
>
> >
>



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